Rulland

Come the time that we rely entirely on either a fruit phone or Windoze to do the biz......I'm out...

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Copy of a reply from NSI when I questioned certain lack of testing etc in a previous employ. Where an alarm company installs a fused spur, it is important that the electrical safety of the fused spur and the fixed electrical installation supplying the fused spur should have been checked. Thus, the alarm company should carry out the appropriate BS 7671 inspection and tests on the electrical installation of the building. These electrical safety checks include inspecting and testing the main earthing arrangements at the main distribution board of the building, including the main equipotential earth bonding arrangements, inspecting and testing the means for automatic disconnection of supply (fusing or circuit breakers), etc, as well as checking earth loop impedance, and polarity at the fused spur point. (Please note that I am not intending here to give a full list of the inspection and testing needed; simply to say that it will need to include these matters, among other matters). I would suggest that some of the inspections and tests on the electrical installation of the building may be best done before the fused spur is installed, in case there are electrical safety issues to resolve within the building. It is of course necessary to carry out all the necessary electrical safety checks after the fused spur has been installed. Records of these checks would need to be kept and a minor works certificate would need to be issued. Please note that electrical work in dwellings now falls within the scope of Part P of the Building Regulations under which certain work must legally be notified to the relevant local authority. For example, this would apply if the fused spur is being run from a separate way (i.e. as a new circuit) from the distribution board. Yours sincerely Tony Weeks Technical Manager

Tex Ricochet-no affiliation to them, just saying!.

I'll swim....

As James, had mis-fired staples, pulled them out, metered the cable, very, very rare to actually cut a core.

2.5mm T+E, no fecking chance of damaging the 8core, seriously though surely we use staplers/clips, we all run the risk of damaging a cable!-put one 8 core in 16x25 trunking just to be on the safe side?.

Well that's one way of ensuring it isn't unplugged accidentally, Little transformer backed up by a 32A fuse, nice.

Why screened to rkp?.

QFA.

'New builds', if the builders are worth there salt, they should be allowing for alarms, if they are not then the architect is imho at fault-not rocket science is it, allow for sky, BT, data network etc etc for your multi engineered home-ahhhhh- what about an alarm to protect all this high tech stuff.........ooops...to late. I'd rather do mini trunking/blaze on top of skirting, it can be easily 'caulked' and blend in once painted, you'd have to look closely to spot the 'addition', protected, easily accessed in the future if required for further cables etc, no realistic chance of damage without obvious signs of such. Wasn't me, just said there are other ways. Lol.

There's always a choice, and mine wouldn't be under carpets, out of sight and easy to damage. If you're good there are ways to minimise the visual impact of cabling whilst keeping it safer from mechanical damage. Can you explain how to run a cable with minimal sheathing/protection under a carpet correctly please?, I'm intrigued.

There are far better ways to route cables usually, it may take a little more thought and enginuity-and thus more time-and they dont all entail ripping up floorboards, but I think all us installers know that carpet ultimately causes problems in the future, We all know that from experience.

Neither a decent engineer or surveyor would suggest running cables under a carpet though!.

Quad and DT to give confirmed in a bygone age.

T cut-original.

Could be any one of them I reckon then judging by the state of the installs I've seen in the past!-any excuse not to use clips, trunking or any other method of cable containment-unless cable tieing to 230v cables counts.

Better surely than 4mm White clips knocked in every 8"-less obtrusive IMHO-and less potential for damage to!.

Do they do a wool handled one by any chance?

Adi, but it doesn't appear to have the triangular type socket I require mate.

Afternoon Guys, After a bit of help if possible, I'm trying to aquire one of the above triangle anti vandal/tamper screwdriver bits, Been to Norbain who have given me the info but will not supply me with one cos I don't have an account, and I don't wish to open one purely for want of a damn screwdriver!. Has any kind sole here got a Norbain account, or any other supplier of the bit, that would be willing to help me purchase one-it's fast doing my pip in lol. Kind Regards. Richard.

Morning all, I was grafting all weekend so had an early night yesterday!, and yes the comment was aimed at the 'cowboy' who installs Prems etc and knows naff all about them. Apologies if it seemed I was accusing-not my intent-and thanks guys for defending me. Richard.

Forum name 'Rulland',user/real name 'Richard' My apologies James,just thought it was easier for the op. Richard.

Sorry but if you aint used to real intruder kit you dont make the basic mistake of specifying more than 8 zones-cowboy!...........

OP wont have access to manuals, so here are the XM guides-one is the 'scanned',the other isn't!. Optima XM user Guide.pdf Optima XM user Instructions.pdf