AdrianMealing

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Yes it is, it also allows use of more of the later device types, for example, sounders, external PIR, Internal Dualtech, smopke detector and the like are not supported pre elite.

The Premier & Elite are completely different animals. Both hardware and software are different. Also the power supply, so if you are going to swap it out, you will need to change everything not just the PCB. If you can detail what you are thinking of adding to the system you can be better guided. It is not possible to flash a Premier with Elite firmware, different micro processor.

Confirmed PA is not mandatory, only required if the local force insist OR if response has been lost due to previous false activations, double push PA will be fine on a separate URN.

Ok you got me, nobody wants those, and the sales on both are really awful

So not **** then, sounds like they are onto a winner to me, Google will pay **** loads for it. I thought it was a great idea. just the sort of thing JP will lap up.

Smartphone stuff does comply with the standards, it does not have to comply to NSI, They don't make the rules, they just inspect too the standards we all use. No idea where the 5 minutes comes from, the only requirement is to sound internal sounders for the exit duration when arming remotely, and to log who used a remote device. Previous firmware would remote arm instantly which could cause false activations if someone is still in the building. Highly unlikely in my opinion, but it could happen. Firmware was launched last week that allows the required capability. Thing is everybody expects anything electrical they buy to have an app, whether they use it or not is a different matter. Its all part of the buying decision and not having it seems to most to be a negative. I have been testing our system for years now, never once armed the system with my phone except during testing. I use a fob as its on the keys I will use to lock the door and open the car. Notifications are useful when i am working away, at least i know if the last one out of the house has actually armed the system.

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I was driving through the centre of town about 40 mins after it started, smoke everywhere

I was pretty sure the reg said escape routes and not exit routes. The reasons for this is, i believe, that not all escape routes are marked as an exit, for example a window.

What about the new requirements for containment of cables in escape routes, does this come into play in your current situation? if it does then whether its accessible or not is irelevant i would think.

Probably just makes itself less sensitive, so no false alarms but probably reduced catch performance, there is only so much that can be done at a certain price point.

Only if you dont encrypt it using the Engineers App..................

It will be an EN soon but this was the quickest way of sorting out issues in the UK. There really is some awful cable being used, and as usual its that last place people look, especially when they did not do the first fix.

Not me just intrigued by this thread and where its going

Ok manufacturer here, in your first post you use the word interrogate, i need to understand the context of this word before i will answer. Your answer to this question is critical in me actually understanding the point. So interrogate what exactly, and why is the question specifically about detection devices? There are many other devices that are wireless and that can operate with an alarm system. (not just intruder, there are numerous types of alarm as i am sure you are aware)

Like i said RA, that down to the guy that specced the job We already have a monitoring software package called Montex, have you looked at it? As for the hardware and components, that's not the problem, if done correctly the right software will allow a level of protection, its all about design, and from a manufacturers POV i guess that is where our RA comes into effect nothing to do with the kit.

True that, but at least we try and protect our clients unlike some.............

Correct and as its stand right now nobody markets or installs a Grade 3 wireless system in the UK, they are available elsewhere, mainly where cost is not the first thought when it comes to security. As for G2 being vulnerable to attack, its not just the wireless aspect of the system, its also the communication methods used between devices and the panel or expander. Likewise the expected response of the system to attack, there are already measures in place to detect jamming, supervision to detect missing devices etc....Unlikely in my opinion that any professional equipment manufactured and independently tested against the EN standards would fall foul of a simple programme or app downloaded from the web. As for DIY systems, or those that simply claim compliance without proving it, that is another matter and as always is reflected in the cost associated with the equipment. Its about time people understood the value of professionally installed and manufactured equipment instead of trying to compare two things which bare no resemblance to each other.

Al;l of the stuff mentioned above is a part of the reason for grading and doing a proper RA i guess................

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Yep it is, we still have the three minute timer on anything programmed as auto mode, which is the default for PIR,s purely a battery saving mode. Doesn't affect the arming or disarming of the system. Shock and contacts always awake, do what they say. Nothing to stop PIR's being programmed as always awake, just affects battery life, same as anybody else's, at least we have the option. Dual techs work in hybrid mode, so asleep in disarm awake wen armed, and have to be woken up at the point of arming, hence the small delay.

There isn't one on anything except the dual techs, it's microseconds but as I said too many devices and it seems like a long time. Reality is the time is short, I have about 10 dual techs on a test system, takes about 2 seconds longer than a similar system with no DT to arm, it's perception in many cases.

Yes we had a system at the factory for about a year running 512 devices, if they were all dual techs which need to be woken up to arm the system, you would be waiting a while. Not recommended. However with standard PIR's or contacts and shocks, no problem, pretty much the same as a wired system. The panel knows its armed so any alarm signals from those devices are treated the same as a wired device. Even for dual techs whilst the time is short, it always seems a long time when you are stood in front of the keypad. Same as watching a kettle boil.

32 devices per expander, each expander uses its own wireless network (or rather a narrow portion of the operating overall frequency) device serial numbers are used to ID them to the correct expanders therefore avoiding any potential cross talk or interference.