Driller

Good god no, the blood congeals and gets stuck in the grooves. I go for this look rather, the leather cleans up nicely: https://images.app.goo.gl/31BgpkNBGpRNJsVs7 What do security installers go for these days, something like suede with elbow pads I imagine?

lol What the biker ones or the white ones we all wear?

ADJ-600L it is then!

Describes my assistant to a T Don't know about the domed head though Now going to decide whether to put it through the door or get an armature housing or even tap a hole as just found out there's a reinforcing plate in the door on the inside. But there's a more important problem. All credit to you blokes for what you do-this is not easy and I've been buggering around with it for most of the day and I've got literally nothing done. Unfortunately due to the size of the transom, I'm in a no-man's land whereby I can't directly mount the magnet as the line of holes on the opposite side of the mounting bracket to the door leaf are right on the edge of the transom but if I use an L bracket the magnet is about an inch away from the armature. So I'm going to have to order an adjustable Lbracket (I think) and that's the day wasted. You live and learn.

Thought I'd bump this if anyone would like some advice or help with anything dental related (or security-you never know :-D) or even just for Mr Happy to make fun of my drainpipes.

Sometimes when I come here and ask questions, it reminds me of being at work. It's like pulling teeth. I'm here all week, the veal is reconstituted from Norway.

I'll make sure they move the telly away from the wall!

Fellas, can you confirm that the armature fixing bolt needs to go all the way through the door leaf and out the other side? Logically with the pulling forces involved I guess it must do but I never considered having a bolt head on the external side so it seems odd. On the other hand I cant imagine sourcing an 8mm self cutting screw and holding it on with that.

Starting to get that after, what, 12 years? Didn't think of that, thank you, I'm 6'3" so will look at that carefully. If it didn't interfere with the shoot bolt system, it could maybe go at the top of the jamb... Door is all installed BTW.

Pics? I'm not falling for that you know It's a heavy duty steel security door from these guys: https://www.lathamssteeldoors.co.uk/ (maybe you know them?)

I should come here more often! There is a built in mortice lock system with shoot bolts all around plus dog bolts. This will be used to secure the door after closing time. I thought it would be nice to have a mag lock during opening hours to allow staff to come and go with just a blip on a badge reader.

Well the purpose of the maglock is for easy staff entry and exit. Your question suggests I've made some sort of error though. Maybe I should have specified an integrated system at purchase?

Thanks James. For the spacer do you mean the magnet fixed into a plate which is longer/wider than the magnet, allowing you to fix through it around the edges? Edit, just found this:

Howdy, time flies as they say! I thought I'd post here rather than starting a new thread. This extension has taken rather more time and effort than I bargained for. Just moved into the new part but loads of details to finish necessitating long hours and short nights. Got the Doorbird up and running (really great kit, very configurable), extension to intruder and CCTV will be in shortly. Right now fitting a maglock (ML600) to a steel personnel door. Never come up against this problem before: how do you fit this kind of thing to a hollow steel door considering the forces involved? I don't fancy self tappers much as they have a tendancy to move over time. Rivets would be fine but not long enough for the magnet part. Would clinch nuts be the way to go?

Er...you’ve got to love economies of scale?

Just thought it would be interesting to see what you thought from "the other side". Agree that its ironic about the dentists looking for the cheapest price but saying that if they're NHS then there won't be any V8 Vantages in the carpark. Thought the quote from Chubb might raise some discussion too. They're the equivalent of ADT are they not?

Finally found the time to take a look at the Solitaire units and its not very obvious but the contacts on the relays of one of the two (the one that gets activated much more) look a bit burnt. Considering the price I'll just get another unit. Thanks for the tip MrH

Saw this over on the GDPUK trade forums, thought it would be interesting to have your thoughts from both perspectives! "hi. Im new to the GDPUK - posted a query last night and it didn't submit, so not sure I am doing this correctly. However, I am in need of some sensible advice on fire alarms please. We have had a fire risk assessment by Chubb and have been advised to have a fire alarm fitted because we only have domestic ones that are not considered suitable. The recommendation is " a category L4 fire alarm system ...in compliance with the recommendations of the current British Standard 5839;part 1..."We have a quotes form Chubb to place this, at over £4k. they have provided a schematic and are in a position to be able to provide a certificate to show it is at BS 5839.I have given this schematic to a smaller company who have come back with a quote of £3k for the same thing. ( not VAT registered) I am sure this is fine to go ahead with, as it is reaching the standard, and I can see in the Regualtory Reform ( fire safely) order 2005, as a " responsible person " I can employ someone who is regarded as competent " where he has sufficient training and experience or knowledge and other qualities to enable him to properly implement the measures" I can see no legislation above this. This company regularly places alarms. I am meeting resistance within the practice, could I please have some sensible advice and help. Thank you in advance.

Strange one, the DygiZone that I installed about 6 years ago with 2 Solitaire units and D-Tect2 PIRs has started making random clicking noises. I've checked the backup battery (3V) and even done a battery-out reset but the damn thing keeps clicking usually when one of the PIRs fires up but sometimes it just starts all by itself. Anybody encountered this before? I'm wondering if it's one of the Solitaire units.

I think I found the answer. The Doorbird is ONVIF compatible so there should be no problem getting a feed to a ONVIF compatible NVR. As far as the SIP thing goes, rather than set up the door station as an extension, it should be set up as a Peer Sip Trunk (in the same manner as connecting two PBXs) then it can be resolved to a ring group.

Where is Happyland BTW? I've never been further North than Birmingham (I'm rather ashamed to say) but I have to get up there at one point, there are some who say it's beautiful part of the country ;-) Actually it's more like like £600 for the door station but if it works as needed then it's a good investment. No-one's vandalised the Aiphone DB I put in-yet. When you say PSTN intercom do you mean a closed system that uses PSTN protocol or actually connected to an analogue internal phone system? The phone system here is IP in the cloud so the second one won't work and it also needs to sound in and be controlled from each of about 12 rooms. The surgery is in France and in France staff cost is huge. As you may know in the UK employers NHS contribution is about 11% of an employees salary, in France it's 100% so 2 salaries paid for 1 employee. Upshot is not enough staff and hence the reason they are "mobile". This means that there is no 1 receptionist, rather an assistant comes to reception as and when needed (cameras very useful for this!). When the extension work is done and I take on more associates and more staff (ouch) there may then be a permeant receptionist but even then dentists often work late here and with the 35 hour week no receptionist will stay this late so everyone in every room needs to be able to communicate with the front door an control access. Compared to the cost of employing a dedicated receptionist a few grand is not a lot of dosh.

If you mean "can you connect analogue devices to the PBX" then yes, it has 2 FXS ports. Otherwise there will be 1 or 2 incoming analogue lines that I'll keep for lifeline's sake.

Oh don't get me wrong, I absolutely get that. One implantology drill in an 8 drill set costs £70 and you can only use it 10 times before it has to be replaced. My point was that even considering this commercial quality factor, the Aiphone stuff seem very, very pricey for what it is. Also, I'm not sure that office telephony stuff is exactly "consumer", more "in-between". Anyway, I may have over-emphasised this part of the subject...

Hi guys, I'm coming back to you with a bit of an update and to ask for a bit more of your expertise. Sorry if it's a bit of a ramble. As far as the CCTV goes, AXIS is looking like a winner as long as it's going to be end user configurable which I need to look into as I don't want to skimp on quality. If it's as easy to use as Techwin then there shouldn't be a problem. Otherwise Techwin or whatever they call themselves now. As for the internal pagingintercom/door entry system goes, the Aiphone stuff is crazy expensive and I mean mental! For the 10-12 station system I need it would run into thousands. For the IX/IS system its getting on for a grand for each station and the AX ain't much better but you can get audio only which brings it down a bit. At any rate I estimate between £7000 and £14000 all in. There is a more basic "dumb" intercom system they do (LEF) but the units are cheap plastic things that wouldn't look out of place in a Starchy and Hutch episode. They have no screen and are un-upgradable of course and even these cost £400-500 each, crazy! There wouldn't be a staff member parked at each of these stations (except at reception) which will be used rather as communication access points for say 4 roaming staff members (assistants) whilst moving around the building which makes those prices even more unpalatable. Why is this stuff so expensive? So as data diffusion suggested I've been looking at IP stuff and what a difference. IP phones are modern and upgradable and have nice clear screens to interface with plus the GUIs are very clear and easy to use. A suitable IP phone can be had for £50 and a PBX for less than £300. SIP door door modules go for £300 to a £1000. And all of this is highly flexible and user configurable and all in will come to no more than £1500! So I have on a table in front of me an IP PBX, 3 IP phones, 2 door stations to test and a POE switch and a router. I've set up the phones on the PBX and got some paging and intercom groups going-works like a charm! Also programmed some multicast paging groups. One of the door stations is a Grandstream GDS3710 but its got hard, unmoving capacitance buttons. The old dears and granddads who come to the door are going to get very confused when they try to push buttons that don't have any give. The other one is a Doorbird D2102V which is quite snazzy. Nice stainless front plate like an Aiphone with 720p camera and a sounder button that actually moves when you push it. Additionally there's a great smartphone app so calls can be answered in iPhones etc So the plan is to connect this to the intercom network with the IP phones and connect with the CCTV NVR to the camera to record the camera feed which will be displayed with a few other cams (carpark, waiting room) on a monitor next to the IP phone in each surgery or office and at reception. For the moment I'll continue with our IP cloud telephony provider but if I can get my head sufficiently around VOIP (reading a lot of books right now) this may get transferred over and combines with the intercom system. One little problem: the Doorbird IP door station absolutely needs to be able to have its video feed picked up by the CCTV NVR. It connects to the network by plugging an RJ45 cable into a connector on the PCB. Is there any reason why this wouldn't work? To register it on the network I have to crack open a seal on a packet to get the MAC address but presumably if the seal is broken and it won't work as needed it can't be sent back. It is SIP compatible so should be able to register with the SIP server in the PBX but in the manual it says that it calls to an IP address. I'll have another look at the PBX but does any telecoms bod know if I should be able to forward an IP address call to an extension ring group? Calling peer to peer to one IP phone is no good it needs to go to all if them. Thanks for reading this far and sorry again for the long post. As ever any little gems you can pass on are most gratefully received. Driller