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Play with some 'real' kit on my kitchen table.
sixwheeledbeast replied to a_dad's topic in !!..DIY Installers..!!
They just want to throw it in and charge extra for the service and batteries. It's sad some of the industry has been going that way... Would be a nice job to wire with the boards up already. Wireless does have it's place but I'd always wire as much as I can. Keypads and Bells are always wired on my systems even if much of the detection is not. Texecom isn't as open to DIY as it was, especially on the Premier stuff. Veritas is a DIY only product now I'd say tho. I would wire a single 8 core to everything, but a single 6 core to everything would likely be fine. I just like having spare pairs for the future. Then see if you can find a company that will use your wiring. -
Unused alarm suddenly triggered
sixwheeledbeast replied to kisaki75's topic in !!..DIY Installers..!!
It looks a relatively modern system so could be worth fixing and keeping in good order and using. If you have no plans to use it at all you need to decommission it correctly as explained above. Systems that never get serviced will only cause you a headache in the early hours. It's possible the PSU has popped and that is causing a burning electronics smell. -
Would be similar to fitting an ACT filter pack in that regard but the idea is to filter as close to the noisy load as possible.
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I would expect that to be transmitted via the mains tho? I suppose looking back we didn't clarify if it was a mains vacuum and not a battery powered one? If it's mains powered does the outlet it's plugged into effect the result? Motor suppressors are usually just a class X2 cap with a bleed resistor across the line/neutral. Something that could be tested and replaced if it had failed.
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So can you isolate where the tamper signal coming from? If the tampers are global and you can easily reproduce the fault, then connect pairs one by one?
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Pyronix Enforcer - backplate replacement
sixwheeledbeast replied to garnayrob's topic in !!..DIY Installers..!!
I'd agree can quick change in minutes but we've done it before, although you wouldn't have let the neighbours know... Did the right thing there, you have told them you have a working system and you don't want/expect it to cry wolf. -
Pyronix Enforcer - backplate replacement
sixwheeledbeast replied to garnayrob's topic in !!..DIY Installers..!!
Bell will sound for 15 minutes while it's disconnected from the hold-off voltage. Set yourself up for a quick changeover or get up to it and remove the battery. -
Pyronix Enforcer - backplate replacement
sixwheeledbeast replied to garnayrob's topic in !!..DIY Installers..!!
Is this a wired bell then? -
Remove wireless keypad Texecom?
sixwheeledbeast replied to texacom's topic in !!..DIY Installers..!!
You could use a hammer... Being serious, if you have an installer speak to them first as the system may lock out if you tamper with it. Texecom keypads can be wireless or wired but not WiFi, the small fine threaded screw is underneath to remove the front. Upon freeing the front from the backplate the alarm will sound a tamper alarm and you will have to silence and reset this when you put it back together. It's possible you will end up with a non-functional system if you mess anything up. -
Needs service, battery is probably cooked. Hopefully it's not damaged the system.
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Some Alarm Installation Advice Please
sixwheeledbeast replied to MKDelboy's topic in Control Panels (Public)
I think that's a sensible approach. Find a company that is willing to work with you doing the first fix. If you haven't started yet you can explain what you will do and they can approve it first. I have heard lots of bad reports about Sky boxes but it's probably not helpful to rule out wireless alarms completely because of this. The difference is the bandwidth and frequency is completely different. Your comparing small amounts of data on the lesser used 868Mhz. WiFi is in the 2.4-7.2Ghz ranges depending on version, higher frequency busy bands but you also require high bandwidth to stream video. Wireless can be a dark art but as a rule the higher the frequency the less wall penetration and more reflection you will have. -
Some Alarm Installation Advice Please
sixwheeledbeast replied to MKDelboy's topic in Control Panels (Public)
Some systems are mesh, as you have some wiring, receivers can likely be distributed throughout the system if it's really necessary. Pneumatic drills with decent bits fly through engineering brick or even concrete and rebar. I have yet to find a job that's not possible... Two sensors on a 6-core is possible via EOL wiring, which most systems are now. For control panels they mostly do the same stuff and every installer has there own preferred kit they have trained on, if your DIY'ing a one off it probably doesn't matter. Proper systems are not designed for installation by end users, so your not going to find reviews. You will possibly also struggle to get manufacturer support or manuals at all. -
Some Alarm Installation Advice Please
sixwheeledbeast replied to MKDelboy's topic in Control Panels (Public)
Most younger engineers won't have been born when the 9448 came out. Telephone cable is not suitable for alarms. Two detectors on a zone is equally poor practice. People come here often say either rewiring and/or wireless is not an option, but it's unlikely either is the case. I'd find a proper company by explaining your situation in a call to them, but they'll probably want to upgrade your panel before taking it on. -
small house Small house in need of a wired alarm
sixwheeledbeast replied to ConfusedPlsHelp's topic in Guest Forum
It was basic 20 years ago, a company isn't likely to fit a Grade 1 panel. Even complex panels are designed to be easy for the standard user functions.- 16 replies
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small house Small house in need of a wired alarm
sixwheeledbeast replied to ConfusedPlsHelp's topic in Guest Forum
Quick glance over your posts... You should protect at least the landing of upstairs. All decent systems will have a part set and if installed correctly shouldn't false alarm. If the cabling is in good order it can probably be reused. You need to decide if you are installing this yourself or you are getting a company in. Assuming from your posts you want a company to fit it... the manufacturer of the kit is irrelevant to you the company will use there preferred kit. They can support the products they sell. The usual suggestion is to get three quotes and choose who you feel most comfortable with (not necessarily the cheapest). I install Texecom but wouldn't fit a Veritas, last one I installed was likely over a decade ago. PE24 poly would be my standard panel on smaller domestics. If your stuck get your quotes, remove all the sensitive information and we can see what they suggest.- 16 replies
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Weird intermittent failure of DSC zone expanders
sixwheeledbeast replied to TinkerBear's topic in !!..DIY Installers..!!
Any fault like this, it's going to come down to isolating things until you pin it down. Starting at a broader scope and drilling down. As above it's not a usual panel over here so even if it was something common to that panel it's less likely for people in the trade to know about it. I'd want to be using 8 core really and tripling up any supply voltages. Also monitoring the voltages of the PSU over a longer duration. Is this proper copper cable or CCA? If I read the OP correctly are the keypads remote from the system and the expanders all in the panel? Could there be a wire damage or earth fault on the longer wires. Could you stick everything on a bench with 1' of wire between. Any fault that disappears with just a power cycle never leaves me with confidence or satisfaction. -
A single PIR should be a 6 core at least with a double pole panel. You can run two PIR's on an 8 core double pole. EOL wiring/resistors will not work on a double pole panel. You shouldn't put multiple devices of this type on a single zone, which is why you won't find a manual/guide instructing this. If you really have to reuse the 4 core you should upgrade equipment and use a BUS type device or expander.
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When all the faults are clear the system beeps once and will reset, until then it will always lockout. TBH I would take the opportunity to upgrade the system reusing the wiring if that's in good order. You've knocked stuff about with the building work and have no clue how reliable or maintained the system was.
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For the reasons outlined above the cable needs replacing either way, probably best with an 8 core.
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The Veritas is a double pole panel so you need normally closed devices (without resistors). The Texecom setting on the Capture PIR's is for Texecom EOL circuits.
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Silence loud beeping when arming alarm at night.
sixwheeledbeast replied to Ketan's topic in Members Lounge (Public)
If it's not in the user manual then it must be an engineer option. -
It will stop due to noise pollution rules but should re-arm itself if programmed correctly.
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Well apart from the deterrent factor of a good working system, which has some correlation to reducing attempted break ins. If it operates as it should, it alerts all the neighbours (if they investigate or not). More importantly the burglars will not hang around. I've known customers were before I installed an alarm for them they had burglars spend several days making a mess of the place.
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I'd take the front door contact apart remove battery, make sure you have seated the battery correctly then try to reset again. If the system still thinks the contact is in fault you can't clear down.
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Firstly if you have an installer you should speak to them if you are having issues. I would need to know more about all the components of the system really. But I'll make some assumptions unless you can expand further... If the issue is the system works fine but is intermittently slow to arm, I would assume the system has several wireless devices on hybrid mode which it needs to poll before it will allow arming. Sometimes this will take some time if the mesh has not polled the device recently and it's a few nodes away. This would be indicated with a please wait "slash/bar" animation on the keypad. It's also possible something is misconfigured or not commissioned when setting up if wireless.