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From Unknown PIR to Dual TEC
sixwheeledbeast replied to RayPooley's topic in Members Lounge (Public)
Zone, Circuit, NC C, Relay. All the same thing in this instance. -
From Unknown PIR to Dual TEC
sixwheeledbeast replied to RayPooley's topic in Members Lounge (Public)
The power supply is already in parallel there is no other way with wiring shared like that. If you wire a zone with multiple sensors in parallel you will have to trigger all at the same time to trigger that zone. -
From Unknown PIR to Dual TEC
sixwheeledbeast replied to RayPooley's topic in Members Lounge (Public)
In parallel you would have to hope any burglar would trigger all the sensors at exactly the same time. One Zone, One sensor. Depending on the wiring and the control equipment it could be done in EOL configuration. -
From Unknown PIR to Dual TEC
sixwheeledbeast replied to RayPooley's topic in Members Lounge (Public)
Looks a right mess. No tampers and two (or more?) sensors series on the same zone. Yes, relay is the same as NC C here. Old Risco PIR by the looks of it. -
Possibly right with microwave then, should have some sort of adjustment I would expect.
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Exactly, isolate things to narrow the problem down.
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8 core cable internal sounder + PIR
sixwheeledbeast replied to Cluel3ss's topic in !!..DIY Installers..!!
Just for clarification FTO = fail to operate. It all depends on the type of sounder and which wire as to what fault would occur. It could be possible for a wire to break and the system display no fault condition. From a professional POV that's why regular servicing is important, the things a user wouldn't spot from daily use. Yes it's unlikely but possible, I am sure you came here for professional opinion, otherwise you wouldn't be bothered and would have done the work already. -
Honeywell Galaxy G2-20 Wireless Kit
sixwheeledbeast replied to Matthew Copeland's topic in Control Panels (Public)
£1000 would all be relative on what's included and what's needed for the property. Have you not had quotes from a few companies? That's difficult to answer, it depends how competent you are? Also how much you value your time spending on working it out. What about the bellbox? Is there something wrong with the existing kit? You have to get up to it and hope you don't need to smash it to bits to open it. Unless the bell in question has a fancy engineers mode.- 2 replies
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8 core cable internal sounder + PIR
sixwheeledbeast replied to Cluel3ss's topic in !!..DIY Installers..!!
If the sounder wire breaks you wouldn't noticed until it FTO. -
8 core cable internal sounder + PIR
sixwheeledbeast replied to Cluel3ss's topic in !!..DIY Installers..!!
First approach is to rewire if possible Failing that either soldered, clamped or crimped are the requirements for connections, contained within a tampered or resin sealed enclosure. An alarm junction box would be the normal way to meet the above. I await the suggestion to just twist and tape some of that CAT 6 on... Take a step back you have wires in the wrong places and not enough of them, have you considered wireless options? -
Those plug on COM's leads aren't really designed for that, but again there's no reason why it shouldn't. You have the issue of the leads strain relief fouling the lid on the poly panel and if you pulled the cable you would damage the port and could short out the panel. Any equipment like this should be contained within the panel for tampering reasons,. The COM-IP is the ideal solution for this as it's fully within the panel and has a slimmer crossover lead molex with no strain relief to plug on within the panel. Not sure on when Connect unit is out if you wanted to wait but in reality you will fit and forget. TL;DR - Just open the lid and plug on, remove and close lid like it's designed for.
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Surely the occupancy sensor is just doing it's job? Assuming there ultrasonic or microwave and not IR. If the only thing "connecting them" is the audible sound of the chime on the door have you disabled the chime to test? The occupancy sensors may need adjusting. Also who's John, the resident ghost?
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8 core cable internal sounder + PIR
sixwheeledbeast replied to Cluel3ss's topic in !!..DIY Installers..!!
Alarm cable is designed for alarms, CAT6 is designed for data. If the solid core cable breaks you'll get intermittent issues. It's most likely that an intruder will just pull it off the wall and cause more damage if confronted with a loud siren within reach. Grading would only be useful for companies specifying a system. All of these things you suggest are possible but not good practice your conform to standards. You may have issues in the long run. However, I am sure they have been done before and will be found again by engineers in the future. -
8 core cable internal sounder + PIR
sixwheeledbeast replied to Cluel3ss's topic in !!..DIY Installers..!!
Manufacturers normally recommend keeping sounder and input cabling apart. Do you really need a sounder like this? Would an extension speaker not be more appropriate? If you have the large screen keypad you can drive a speaker from the keypad. -
It's per user.
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Regulations require users code to be disabled on entry for monitored systems, this needs disabling in Setup Users.
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8 core cable internal sounder + PIR
sixwheeledbeast replied to Cluel3ss's topic in !!..DIY Installers..!!
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Circuitry of Alarm Panel Outputs and Inputs
sixwheeledbeast replied to Eugene's DIY Den's topic in !!..DIY Installers..!!
This isn't a pull up resistor, some of the more modern panels have a tamper resistor that the panel monitors for a value you would install this at the end of line for security (hence SEOL resistor). You could fit a staple (dead short) across the SCB terminals for example and not damage the panel (this would link the tamper detection out). -
Circuitry of Alarm Panel Outputs and Inputs
sixwheeledbeast replied to Eugene's DIY Den's topic in !!..DIY Installers..!!
I'd say all looks correct but the SCB return should be in TR not NC (which I assume from the diagram to mean "No Connection" and not "Normally Closed") As for the electronics behind the panel I have never seen the panel so difficult to comment. What you have said seems right for panels of that era tho. -
Ah, the good old days...
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Euro 46 control panel question
sixwheeledbeast replied to Mark Rider's topic in Members Lounge (Public)
One device (sensor) per zone is best practice, it makes it easier to locate any faults in the future. -
Well it's brand new so not played with it yet. Seems to have been polished in house for a while so would expect a smooth transition. However, on any critical system that has an update, I always wait a little while to see if something comes out the woodwork. I don't mind testing stuff on the bench but for daily stuff I like stability. Sometimes you get to the point you have to release it, it's very difficult to reproduce every bespoke system during testing. I'll probably download and have a play with it next week on my bench panel.
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You don't need to Link out T just make sure it's programmed as Normally Closed.
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Keypad zones have to be mapped. This is Keypad number 1 so Zone 1 on Keypad need mapping to a zone between 1-24. You set the zone wiring type per zone as well.
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Most things should be fine OTB for a one zone job. Test it and make sure it works.