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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/F80-BURGLAR-ALARM-CONTROL-BOX-EURO1-PLUS-76-GRADE3-WITH-MSX-CARD-AS-FOUND-IN-ST/133123648046?hash=item1efec9aa2e:g:NdMAAOSwIJZdFN8n Ignore the 1st pic, Castle Euro One, not that old I guess but a manf. that's not really around any more.

It did seem endemic, Texe issue happened on quite a few properties around the same age. In that case, they need a rethink on the Kitchen unless the Texe wireless can be switched to Heat Only.

Again, sensors are merely units with a switch, unless of course, they are wireless ones, in which case you will need Texecom. Unlikely though as wireless ones don't have the blue ring... Do they look like the Exodus ones you linked to? If so your system will be compatible with Eaton, Texecom, Aico, Honeywell, ebay ( ) or any other brand of 12V smoke or heat detector. You DO NOT have to use Texecom detectors on a Texecom wired alarm system, whether it is connected to Control4 or not. But it will be up to your installer, they really should have known not to put a smoke in a kitchen, unless they do even less fire jobs than me... Even sparkies should know that though to be honest, it's made clear in every instruction leaflet I've ever seen.

Kitchen one shouldn't be a smoke, but there we go! As I say I have had these false alarm for no reason, repeatedly, after a certain age, though in one case after major building work (elsewhere in the property) even though they were removed for the worst of it and covered up for the rest. Have to be honest I have gone back to Eaton ones for now, also simplfies stock it's a 4 in 1 selected by switches on the unit.

Also re. beams I suspect from your subsequent descriptions that the orangery is not the huge open space with a couple of chairs and a table (I certainly) first imagined so 1+ for the above

Yeah sure just seems a shame the 12v versions are quite literally 3 case design generations behind the current mains ones now.

LOL, no I can assure you it wasn't that, the couple are still there now!

Exodus then Yes Blue is combined Optical (Smoke) and Heat Ultimately, one for your installer to sort out, really, be interesting to see what they suggest. I have, in the past, been given silly directions by builders misinterpreting building control regs, e.g. was asked to fit smokes in every bedroom in a domestic house with loft extension 'because the regulations say'. I wonder if the same has happened with your installer here? Personally the kitchen would always be a heat detector, as recommended. Is it always just the one detector false alarming then?

Heat or Smoke? Are the coloured rings blue, green, or orange on the Texecom detectors? I'm assuming they are Texecom (Exodus) units?

All in one open plan space? As any type of smoke sensor is usually unsuitable for a kitchen anyway.

Does the orangery need protection?? I've had recent experience of landlords adding detection to all sorts of unsuitable rooms, on the flawed thinking that 'more is better = safer', causing false alarms, causing the tenant to go around disabling ALL the alarms out of fear of another 3am wakeup...

The control panel is able to diferentiate between two different signals FIRE NO FIRE thats it, there is no fuzzy logic, no special programming, the smoke/heat sensors are merely a glorified switch. A 7 year old head, even if it has been stored very well during buildings works, is still a head that is 3 years away from needing replacement. I've had these heads suddenly start to FA at around this age and nothing short of replacing them would make them stop. I do hope your monitoring station are currently phoning you on recieving a fire before dispatch? No, there are no option switches. I am certain the detector is smoke OR heat, always enabled as it were, the OH is described as a 'Optical & Heat Multisensor' type.

And don't forget Texe smokes are combined smoke AND heat by default (I am certain...?) My loft was 42 degrees yesterday, and that was with extra vents I fitted last year, and in the evening... *** me round here that would on balance of propabilities have been a retained callout and I imagine the guys and gals slightly less freindly... Recently someone in a country hotel thoght it would be a good idea to use the fire alarm to summon reception when they drunkenly lost keys and returned at 3am. My retained mate said one of the guys had to be held back and was lucky not more was made of it....

There is a white box that I assume would connect via wifi to t'internet, and it would work only with the newer SmartLink enabled devices There was even a portal website but nothing on the homepage other than Username / PW login boxes If you look at some pics on the news section, you can see boards at exhibitions and the demo truck detailing the new system 'coming soon' but that was back in April. All other mention seems to have been removed with the new website. I do wonder if they have realised the service would be more useful to landlords and that a 4G sim-on-chip built into every box and then activated for a monthly charge would get more of an uptake?

They are certainly good, just wish they'd update the look of them. AICO had a cloud system waiting in the wings for their mains alarms it would seem, but no mention on the website currently, it's vanished...

So they have tamper / base removal detection?

So basically they look like a DIY shop (of the day) box but under the skin they are actually a lot better made than that? Just noticed there is one on the back of an old Fyne Fayre in our high street that's now a DIY shop

Only ever seen them on buildings, did once have a BNIB Initial Shorrock box but I sold it a while ago That said since then I've picked up a proper old metal Chubb in reasonable condition, seen better, seen much worse, and that BNIB Modern Alarms hex so I'm not too sad* Would love a white square dome style Securicor Granley still in the box! *insert own disclaimer here

I assume you mean it is a '40 zone panel'? This doesn't mean you need to use all the zones... It's actually only a ten zone panel (wired) plus 30 zone (wireless) out of the box, and in fact it's an 80 zone maximum panel anyway - they just carried over the '40' model number from the previous version, which was 16 on board and 24 wireless Assuming it is a 40H that is. If it is you'll be getting free, app based monitoring for life so I'd say fair quote based on the number of zones, for Essex. (If you did want to go down to 8 zones, if it was me quoting I personally would still be quoting the 10 zone 40H by the way, as it is still the most suitable panel (that I sell).)

Dodgy battery spade connector?

OK see how you get on, they are not horrendous, but they are not fun to program

You're joking right, these are 100% manufactured and supported within the EU, IIRC the company behind them is the eastern european equivalent of 'Bold' (monitoring equipment). Deffo not chinktat. Well, support until Brexit anyway TBF though yours looks good but no USB although... classy, LOL!

Ah right I thought that was yours! I fit those speakers myself. Anyway, if you paid what Alert are listing for the GJD *and* you can get a refund, I strongly, strongly suggest you get a refund and swap it for this... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GSM-TELL-Pager3-Z6-6-input-auto-dialer-communicator/323864542434?hash=item4b67d4bce2:g:qAQAAOSw0NtbXesQ This is the 6 'zone' version of the other one I posted. It's simple to use (it also has an optional mode where it is a complete alarm as it supports keyswitch entry/exit zones etc... and I've fitted them to fast food vans) But out of the box it works as a straightforward 6 channel GSM messenger. It also has separate 'restore' messages so you would know if the alarm had been reset (if someone else has the code!). It would at least fit inside the case, and is a dream to program via any windows PC with a USB cable (it even has the software built in whcih dl's when you first connect)

Nice choice of speaker, though

Ah fair enough, I thought it was a spazzy typing of IAS Right thats fine I just thought you were saying something different when you said "Using all grade 3 kit and installing it to grade 3 is fine but you cant call it grade 3,", wrt to fire detectors. Obviously the installation isn't really grade 3 if its DIYed but that's the whole reason I'm still confused why anyone would want to.