no my point was you want quality in your car and your phone. If so dismiss both of your choices
Visonic and Pyronix are cheap. they do a job like cheap things do.
your not using the same logic on your security purchase that you do on your car etc
you cant compare the 2. look into wireless security on your 2 systems.
but if you want cheap then security and reliability are not top 5 on your list of requirements
op I was trying to show your theory that all is the same was a folly. You obviously know better and I'm wrong. Sorry I said anything that you don't agree with. Btw how did your a.n.other 868 work?