james.wilson

Joe can you create one in trade on the subject. I have spoken at length to Tony weeks and that is not how I understand nsi position

It was a while ago too.

Lps 1277 is for all signalling products. Not just ip

Gus mentioned using keypads for advertising many years ago on here. I think that many in the industry can use this and more to reduce initial cost to the end user. However i dont think currently its a starter. The problem with using a security based appliance as an advertising front end is the lack of time spent with it. IF we were to catch up and be at the forefront of automation, energy saving etc then the security system 'could' be the portal used to access this infomation. Unfortunatly the industry is still managed by the old school and do not understand there is any need for revolution. Joe, can you get your crowd back into the BSIA and get yourself on a committee or 2?

J, Very interesting, and covers a lot more than your direct interest. Im assuming you think the final mile (ie the arc) is an easier attack point if its known than the individual site/system. To minimise the exposed footprint from send point to recieve point what would you suggest? Private circuits or VPN's. From the transmission point of view its easier to attack the fixed line (pstn) side than anything else but also the gsm side can be vulnerable. Id of thought that any high grade system based on regular polling would be immune to the reporting (not the attack) but if using an ATS 5 device if the device was attacked this would be shown in less than 3 minutes. However if the end that handles that reporting is attacked what would happen then? I assume a DOS style attack on an ARC would be more effective if it swamped it with false signals. The more i think about it the more it seems the arc is the most effective attack point? James

If I recall the galaxy slate ones should be fine

that could be useful. but id want it cover more than signalling how far does that go?

Axis do courses. You could look into that

thanks fr the follow, good job you have decent stuff it could of fried it.

As above I wouldn't put it on high and you need the jumpers set for double pole mode

No as it coundnt work. I have seen specialist cameras that spin an outer some to repel water. But if its an issue you need a camera with a flat glass to use a wiper.

anytime

Personally I'd put a contact on the entry door. Then you can delay the dual tec only after door opening Disarming from a remote will need a high end panel which you really don't need As its diy I'd use Control panel honeywell optima compact Dualtech honeywell dt 7550 or 7450 Door contact knight or cqr grade 1 surface Sounder whatever you want

Updated this to work with windows 7 and some other clean ups. Does not auto install .net now. So you need to ensure you have at least .net 2.0 installed from microsoft. Id assume pretty much everyone does now. Ive also unlocked the risk assesment options for those that are interested

an led will use a load of battery in the scheme of low power the less time its on the better for life imo

I dont know the panel, but you need to remove the engineer reset or remote reset attribute. However i would say its very good of any company to visit you for free to do this for you.

I havnt tested one yet and id like it if someone else did yes. Be good to see the comparison on the different grades mate. Let us know how you get on.

Update on this. As breff stated due to its age this unit as tested is a G3 unit not a G3s unit. The G3s unit was launched in late 09 and this dualcom was installed in early 09. I have attached the old and new pdf's that show the original grade 3 unit reports dual path failure in 5 hours. The G3s states that it reports this within 1 hour. I have not tested this yet. As a note the grade 3 requirements are that a single path failure is reported within 5 hours and that both paths have failed within 25 hours. Obviously reporting a dualpath failure at 5 hours exceeds this. This unit reported that both paths had failed at 5 hours. Id assume that a G3s unit will report this at 1 hour. My own thoughts are that even 1 hour is too slow. I will update in other posts the same tests on redcare secure 3, webway grade 3 and 4 and I plan to do a grade 4 dualcom. DualCom%20Range%20Features%20%20Benefits%20-%20Sept%2008.pdf DualCom GradeShift® Range Specifications LR.pdf

ARC Log now im in the office 08/03/12 04:59:31 O/C SCHEDULED OPEN zone: 4, GPRS path Early Open 08/03/12 10:05:46 PLACED ON TEST Cat: C1 Expires: 08/03/2012 11:05:00 Zones: 7 08/03/12 10:06:55 7 FIRE ALARM GPRS path 08/03/12 10:07:14 7 RESTORE GPRS path 08/03/12 23:24:48 O/C SCHEDULE CLOSE zone: 4, GPRS path Early Close 09/03/12 04:46:06 O/C SCHEDULED OPEN zone: 4, GPRS path Early Open 09/03/12 13:57:56 Contact Verified TD SECURE IT ALL (HALESOWEN) 09/03/12 15:17:57 2 TAMPER - GENERAL SGYPSRTESM path 09/03/12 15:18:00 2 TAMPER RESTORE GPRS path ABORT 09/03/12 20:18:55 13 DUAL PATH FAILURE 09/03/12 20:24:42 ALARM ACCESSED MP 09/03/12 20:25:06 AUTODIAL STARTED JAMES WILSON MP 09/03/12 20:25:35 CALL ANSWERED JAMES WILSON MP

Ok i see what you mean now. But i dont agree its the reg writers. I think its a belief that all dual path systems at any grade are similar. Some have always known that. Some have just thought that g2 is cheaper and still dual path so that will do. re the polling issue etc. It can be done but the lower grades allow longer times before detection. IF you think back to pre en this wasnt regulated but there was only really redcare then which turned out to be a grade 4 signalling system. But redcare gsm is a lot more per year to run than say a G2 dualcom/redcare secure. BBut its the grade that is key here. ie we cant compare a G3 dualcom to a G4 redcare GSM. The redcare unit will obviously perform better but it also costs more. Horses for courses etc. I must admit mate i wasnt fully aware either. I knew i wouldnt get a confirmed line fail in any useful time on anything less than a Grade 4 system. But i did expect to get a single path failure within minutes. What is key to this test for me is how a G4 dualcom performs and how a G3 redcare secure performs in this type of attack.

Never done it but i recall it being a jpeg on the sd card. Probably has to be a certain name of file

i miss your point Adi. I think some installers re aware but most IMO are not.