arfur mo

that shocks me if true boom! boom! personally, sod that for a game of tin soldiers, if i fit one, has to have spur or plug, 3 amo fuse max i have always assumed the CU being mounted on a lump of timber is for insulation needs, or to get cables behind, but us that correct and still required? just tweaked my curiosity for some reason.

But then, how often do you see a door bell transformer alongside the CU wired to a 32amp rcd with twin bell wire?

the delay is so you have a chance to switch off and avoid calling key holders if you accidentally cause an activation during exit or entry. suggest check manual to allow dialler to cancel if alarm is switched off after activations, otherwise all you key holders will get a false call.

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and possibly fit 'pull up' resistors, should be in the dialler instructions.

Chris Tarrent ran a show a while back, invited listeners to share their finds after moving into a house, one said she opened the under stairs cupboard to find a URN complete with ashes. he remarks "she could have made an absolute fortune selling it as 'ready break' to the cannibals".

fapmsl git and again fapmsl

qfa,last thing i need is some fat old, wearing nothing but suspenders giving me the come on

lol!

lol!. given i work mainly in domestic, found blue mags, questionable underwear, smelly cricket boxes, loads if 'secret' cash but never ever found sexual toys . one very prim and proper lady, flawed me with a remark. due to me needing access she found some of her husbands porno. showing multi entry sex, one male 'model' had an erect fence post like appendage, on seeing it she calmly remarks 'guess its somewhere to hang his hat'. just hilarious, un-expected reaction lol!

as above these panels do like mains on before battery, this means you have little option than to have the panel lid open. please beware of the internal mains fuss block and your straying little pinky. for best safety, disconnect battery remove then restore power from the mains spur fuse unit (or plug) feeding AC power to the controls (that should be near it and marked).

i enforce that rule (as shop steward) on Chubb Eastern, after 2 guys within a month fell asleep at the wheel, during a very heavy lightning spell, which back then you knew you would be out all night. i think only 3 systems nocked out by electrical storms since i started, nothing fried to dust, but knocked silly. suspect if this reduction is down to mainly using polly boxes instead of metal - anyone think the same?

i use red/black for power, but i've seen green white done quit allot, think its a colour consistency preference. i.e. days if 4 core (obviously no G/W) for contacts, 6 core for detectors, so you could maintain the more common 4 core red/black for zone feed out, yellow blue for the zone return on DP systems. today eol means you can feed 3 detectors from an 8 core, commonly brown/orange would be to the furthest device or pab, but maintain green white as power. before anyone shouts and hollers, and gets all snotty, its what i have seen - not what i do.

you need to reduce those bare wires, cut them down so casing nearly meets the connector block. be careful the resistors in the picture don't short out due to bare resistor leads and your exposed cable ends, which can happen as you close the lid. nice touch is to use some sleeve casing stripped from larger size surplus cable, and put it over the resistor leads. just as well you 'released' it the .

lol!

many thanks Adrian, the refference to APCO requirements not allowing (i may well be wrong), but i thought that was a comment from i got from James? so perhaps i misunderstood. this little tiny one man band voice is getting to long in the tooth to joins BSIA now, can you imagine the disruption i might cause them .

An pure example imho, i have said it before - about time the inspectorates stood up and told APCO it is 'us' the alarm trade who now how best to electonicaly protect vulnerable targets.

Then surely, the rules, like the law "is an ass"?

Short question - if fobs are so easy to clone why is code and fob not allowed?

Hi Vince, the old stuff could be a challenge . Today panels are in multi zones so the problems are pre devided, add in memory even simplistic like the S9100 with no time/date made a hell of a difference. IMHO Service engineers need to learn how to cross question clients/keyholders to see if what they said was actually possible well before the meter comes out, not to disrespect or talk down them. The 'story' is often embeleshed because they simply don't want to appear to be stupid, or feel a need to seek the engineers respect. Other times it is down to attempting to avoid a call out charge, or the embarresment their error has caused, i've known owners actually force a lower member of staff take the can, just to avoid their own embarresment. to that end, i try to quickly establish the thought in their minds i understand that not every one knows all about alarms, like i don't know about being a machinist or whatever trade they do, i'm not there to embarrase, snear or poke fun at, just fix the system. I see putting keyholders at ease to talk to you, without fear of being 'fined' as a big part of the skills. The firms i worked for with exception of Combat you had a defined 'patch' to look after, tbh the systems were in fairly poor state and clients not communative due to the feckless way they were treated. Found many systems not being used due to problems with faults and not being fixed, i could easily have continued that way i just like a quiet patch, where i know i'll get home at a regular time. I soon estabished if they told be upfront they messed up i'd make it a no charge fault, this saved days and days looking for non existant suposed problems caused by user error, while i go on with the real issues. On PMV's i worked my way through each installation even new ones as though it was faulty, openning j/b's and detection, lifting carpets to get to pressure matts, making diagrams of their exact possitions. remaking connections and so on, not to be seen as a smart ass, just a personal pride and to give me a simpler life, with less arguments with clients over bills. A side and very positive effect, you can teach a client as much as you like, if they have little respect for you, or the alarm co they will learn little. Gaining their respect, gains trust and a positive way of reducing faults and false alarms, because they tend to observe the better anti-false alarm practices you have instilled. Arfur

I would not say 'bring back old stuff', but the skill sets and knowledge used are seemingly dwindling. today you have 'off the shelf' detcetion, banged in at speed, but life expectancy is only 5 - 10 years, the systems i serviced or added to, were often well over 40 years old. this meant those who worked with them, often had to try really hard just to make it reliable, by designing around problems such as damp in old buildings etc. on service your could walk into a building such as Willerby Tailoring in Basildon, every window covered in tube and batten, stood at one end you could not even focus on the far end with 20/20 vision, and all on one zone, on a fault you just got on with it, measure the return with meter on milli amps, looking for itermittents shown by the meters needle movng about. Later on DMM's were a boon, because you could see fluctuations far easier at distance on the earlier LED displays, LCD's are now are the norm, but for that job trust me the LED display could be seen from a very long way, meant you relied less on the keyholder or security gaurd watching it for you as you 'crashed' it out. Arfur

James - do i have pictures, are you having a laugh? only in my head Arfur

its arrived, have read while recouperating better than counting sheep i'd guess? Arfur

scroll down to his -: 16. At 10:09pm on 03 Jun 2010, leederrig wrote: I worked for Direct Response for 12 months,changing my job only last week,I can honestly say at no time during my time as a canvasser there was i ever told to scare,mislead,or push potential customers into a demonstration,Quite the opposite in fact,all canvassers are told to inform the public of the benefits of a monitored alarm system,the costs if they were to go ahead,and to have an informative,polite conversation at all times.I do hope people that have watched this programme have the common sense to be still openminded enough to maybe contemplate monitored security,because the benefits far outweigh the costs.The programme shown tonight was unfair and unjust,and i wish david price and the rest of the company all the best in the future. and he worked for them now left, if anyone he would dish the dirt would you not say? and this 22. At 6:04pm on 04 Jun 2010, faz12 wrote: I currently work for direct response as a canvasser, and to be honest i dont think its as bad as people and watchdog are making out. I've been working there for almost a year now, and i can honestly say, not once were we trained to mislead people or give out wrong information. What the actual script is, that it guarantee's you a response from an alarm recieving centre, not from the police. Neither do we make out to be the police, its only saving people's lives, and i dont think there's any harm in that! However i do agree that chris hook the rep was wrong in saying that to an elderly woman, but what we were all taught at the start to be clear about what we say, and have polite conversations with customers. We do mention the dont pay for the equipment itself, and avoid using the word free. And tell them about the 299 installation, if they are then interested after that, we mention about the monitoring and maintenace. At the above comments, im not too sure who's been rigning customers and giving out wrong information and using threats, but eevryone is trained very well before they get the job, and after that, if they still make mistakes, they get the sack straight away. But i hope god blesses Drs and all the members of staff. As there are also many other copanies out there who are doing even worse sales pitches!! and this -: 23. At 9:01pm on 04 Jun 2010, barry bradshaw wrote: i worked for direct response as a salesman for about 1 year, and could not beleave what this guy chris hook was saying in the house, since the programme as been on i have spoke to quite a few other people who did or still work for direct response and was shocked in what this guy said. when you go on direct response's training course which last for 3 days, you are told the exact opposite to what chris hook as done and said, dave price and the training people can only tell you what you should be saying and its not to scare customers and give them figures that are untrue. chris is proberly the type of person who will do and say anythink to get the sale. i remember selling a deal for direct reesponse once and when i came out the house i said to my manager i not sure but i think this guy as memory problems, within a couple of hours the company cancelled the sale and said we wont be installing the alarm. Plus if they ever contacted a elderly person on there own we was not allowed to see if customer unless they had a family member or neighbour with them. also the company made us all to sign form's saying we would not lie or mislead customers in the house. This means they are trying to do things right, once a man like chris hook is in the house it's out of the directors hands. Just remember this and perhaps we all should remember - we are only as good as the worst employee. Arfur

in case memories fail, here is the link to the BBC/rouge traders memorandum http://www.bbc.co.uk...ctresponse.html