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I have to be honest I wouldnt mind trying one of the Orico is it? Panels The only thing that put me off was the fact that its a direct selling model rather than being able to just pop into the nearest wholesaler to get one I've spoken to several of their staff on the tech support and design side in depth and I really like their ethos and drive The touchscreen keypads and WIFI/IP/GSM all on one board was also a really neat idea And yeah, that guy needs to go back to wherever he paid to take his basket weaving course and demand a refund ?

I like that idea, I have worked on jobs where people have flipped panels 90 degrees anyway, and its felt like an outtake from an Indiana Jones movie as the battery falls out when you take the lid off lol With some just a small plastic tab on the bottom, side and front would give some ability to do this without much of an issue, and with a panel like a Veritas R8 where its just plain and is (usually) hidden away even a bit more depth wouldnt be that much of a problem And to be fair, it probably wouldnt cost much to just include a plastic bracket that hooks into the case at one end, goes over the battery with one screw hole at the other end to keep it in place regardless of orientation As for the price, I wouldnt say its quite that bad lol, I've been fitting Euro46s panels for most of my domestic jobs for the last 5-6 years, my criticism is that its a grade 2 panel in a metal box with an overpriced keypad and no onboard networking, so that adds another 60-70 making it almost £200 just for the panel I will wager they could easily make a polycarb base unit with onboard wifi and 8 wired zones aimed at the residential market for barely any more than a Veritas R8 costs and still make a reasonable profit If they didnt ship it with a keypad but offered a basic keypad with no zones, tag reader or output for around £30 and one that is the same as the existing one for around £40 that would still be a much better deal for home alarms rather than the business sector Similarly, I am sure texecom could just add wifi and app compatibility to the R8+ for no more than £20, that would be another good possibility

Well you "can" but trying to get them to perfectly match the existing holes from the previous panel wouldnt exactly be ideal especially if any were for example where the transformer is, but as it would be literally no effort at all for a manufacturer to do this when they design the injection moulding template if they thought of it that would just solve the problem right out of the gate with not only zero effort for the installer, but removing the need to drill anything either in the panel or the wall to replace other popular panels which was my point As for the sticking with pyronix, to be honest I hadn't installed pyronix since the paragon range, but then the app enabled alarms came out and at first the Texecom offering only had an app for Apple, whilst Pyronix did android and IOS, so I figured I would give it a punt Then I got what felt like a ridiculous amount of "urgent security firmware update" bulletins from Texecom, which requires an unpaid site visit which dissuaded me from considering a move back to Texecom when they did finally bring out android compatibility and I hadn't had any problems or shortcomings with the Pyronix stuff so I just couldnt see any reason to change at that point, it would have been "nice" to have carried on from the Veritas over to the Premier range from Texecom, but them not having an android compatible app out of the gate was the deal breaker as I wanted to move to app based systems right then, not "maybe" in a year or so So now around 6 years later with just under 200 app enabled panels in the field and none having failed yet I'll probably just stick with them until I retire or fall off a ladder onto a spiked fence lol And I have to be honest, the residuals from the subscription side of things is a nice extra bit of pocket money too

I've been to loads of post burglary jobs in the last 30 odd years and regardless of the polycarb box theyre easily smashed off the wall with whatever tools they used to break in, some were then for some unfathomable reason put in the sink with the taps turned on Others they just opened the lid and cut the SW- for the bell, which is generally just 2 screws So as theyre already easy to smash or pull off the wall by Neanderthals and are even easier for someone with a bit of knowledge to silence without even needing to damage them at all having a few extra 4mm holes that match up to existing panels really isnt a big deal at all. It would make replacing a faulty panel or upgrading an old one MUCH easier if it had pre matched holes for common makes like the veritas R8 for example, would save time and have literally no real downside as I doubt even a couple of extra 4mm holes in panels that already have wiring access holes that are several inches square is a big deal, and to quell the doom and gloom brigade that think they might just fall off the wall if looked at then the plastic not used by adding the holes could be relocated to make reinforced shoulders around each hole when the injection moulding pattern is made By the time somebody has gained access to the panel it doesnt really make any difference if it has more holes less holes or is polycarb or plastic, it WILL take practically the same amount of time to smash it off the wall or undo the cover screws regardless

When the burglar gets to the panel it doesnt matter if it has extra 4mm holes in the back, they have already broken through doors or windows, so a polycarb box of any type isnt really an issue, and even if it was they literally just need to remove 2 screws on most panels to take the lid off lol Having 50 4mm holes in a panel the size of a Texecom R8 which already has FAR more volume missing for cable access is pretty much irrelevant and would barely impact on it structurally as when they are hammered off the wall the screws just widen the screw holes anyway and pull through or the rawl plugs just come out of the wall I also dont get your point about 45 degree terminals, the 45 degree ones mean you can see the holes clearly whether its right next to the skirting board or right above the ceiling, they have better access full stop regardless of what the panel is next to as they are almost facing forward toward you

A galaxy isnt a residential alarm though, I was talking specifically about the residential market

The other thing I would do to be honest that I am amazed nobody seems to have thought of is to plaster the back with holes, so that the panel is a DIRECT drop in replacement for as many panels as possible without the need to drill ANY holes, which I think would be a big selling point for installers And none of this single terminal nonsense, where a +12 or 0v is shared between multiple things like a speaker and where every zone has two terminals, not the Z1/COM/Z2 arrangement, and make all terminals the 45 degree angled ones so you can clearly see the hole when inserting wires

Its wireless, most of the residential installs are wired So not only do you have to pay 2-3 times what the panel SHOULD cost, you then have to add almost the cost of an entire replacement panel just to get the 8 wired zones to connect existing sensors when upgrading or replacing a dead panel So no, its not really targeted at the residential market as a whole at all, and takes zero account of the fact that a HUGE portion of the population either dont work or live paycheck to paycheck, its the "let them eat cake" of residential alarm panels

Lol, to be fair the 128 is the panel I have been wanting SOMEONE to pull their head out of their **** and release for a decade or so All somebody needed to do was make a polycarb panel with a remote keypad, 8 wired and 8 wireless (both expandable) with built in wifi and an app for a reasonable price and I think they would have cleaned up the residential market (EVEN if it was ADE lol) Whilst the new pyronix panel which I think is due to be released next year "kind" of ticks all the boxes companies like Pyronix seem to ignore the residential market and either bring out underwhelming trash or make anything decent grade 2 and more expensive than a lot of people want to pay, even though theres probably 30 or 40 domestic alarms installed for every 1 business system Considering they sell the Euro46S for around £100 ex vat including the keypad and with metal box I am sure they could have managed to make a polycarb panel, with an LCD keypad, 8 wired, 8 wireless and wifi for the same price and still make a healthy profit, but my suspicion is that it will be more like £150 - £170 plus vat to be in line with the cost of a euro + digilan or wifi XA Gotta be honest though, I am extremely impressed with the X 280, the zone and device scans work flawlessly, and although the web configuration environment is slightly awkward its still really good and should improve over time Plus it has a LOT of LEDs on the mainboard which is always a good thing, just take the lid off and you dont need to bother with Christmas lights ? Whats been your beef with the new 280 if you dont mind me asking in case I come across any of the same issues?

What heretical insanity is that? ?

Meh, give it another 30 or 40 years and I should have the hang of it, I am blond after all ?

The more I see of millennials the more I think society should just write off the entire generation and pretend they dont exist and then try to do a MUCH MUCH MUCH better job raising future generations At this point they are practically a parody of young people and deserve to be treated like the ageing relative that nobody wants to invite to parties because they always embarrass them and annoy everybody ?

Hiya, I have been installing security systems since I was 18 (56 now) and still enjoy the job, however I realise that eventually, I will have to reconsider crawling around in lofts and going up and down ladders, so I was just curious if anybody had any ideas for potential alternatives that ageing installers are the perfect choice for Its possible I might just end up doing it until I just decide to "retire" or, in other words drop from working 7 days a week to just a few lol, which is what most tradesmen actually seem to do, but I figured it wouldnt hurt to explore options now before its a necessity to see if anybody had any suggestions that I might not think of Cheers Mike

Hi, I am a security installer in the West Midlands (Wednesbury) and have been installing security systems for almost 40 years mostly in residential properties and around 15 years for CCTV I have been installing Predominantly Pyronix Enforcer and Euro panels for the last 5 years or so as most people want app controlled systems now and have predominantly fitted Hikvision for the CCTV side of things Currently doing a job with 97 individual areas on the Enforcer X 280H which is due to be released in either September or October

That doesnt actually answer his question though as he wanted to know how to program a common lobby which is included in both "levels" (they are called levels or areas on Pyronix depending on which setting method you use when programming (level set or area set)) and which only sets after each individual alarm is has been set IE, if the area is a hall in a multiple occupancy dwelling with 4 flats, the first 3 flats ONLY set their own property, when the 4th and last one is set then it will ALSO set the "common areas", otherwise, if the first one set those the other 3 would trigger an alarm condition the moment they came out of their flat into view of a sensor in a common area