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City & Guilds 1851 In Intruder Alarm Installation


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I have them all and i must say every job i have ever got i did not need them, the company only wanted to know how long i had been in the trade and could i do the job.

If you want some work i will pm you.

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Hi all,

I have been installing alarms for about 8 years. This includes hundreds of domestic alarms, a heap of small factories and shops(up to about 16 devices) and also about 5 large systems (200+ detectors). I also have experience with CCTV systems having installed around 50 small systems (up to 8 cameras). I know Winpak very well (I work for honeywell at the moment) and am about to learn the galaxy panel (still waiting for manuals and panels from the UK).

My main problem is that I do not know how to program many of the alarm panels you guys install in the UK.

My question is do you think that i would be able to get work in the UK without UK qualifications? How much of a wage would someone like me make? I am currently in Australia and was born here but have an italian passport so will be using that to work in the UK.

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I don't knopw about alarm quals and I don't know a single engineer who has them.

scary!

A small family run business but NSI gold with plenty of customers. The owner is Sultan. They will literally take on anyone. I started with them after doing accounts years ago and the senior engineer was an ex milkman.

Scarier!!

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I'm thinking of doing this at night school at college to make myself more emplyable as I'm having a hard time convincing people I can do the job due to lack of on the job experience, even working free on a trial basis does'nt seem to persuade people. I'm looking mainly for opinions from employers. Would you hold someone who had a C&G in intruder alarms in higher regard than someone that did'nt? Any opinions from other people are welcome too.

Thanks.

I have had many newly qualified engineers turn up with all sorts of qualifications, My personal view point is they prove nothing and you would be much better served doing on the job training. Most installers will take you on if you show the right apptitude, you are personal and presentable. That said qualifications often highlight an apptitude to learn, a desirable trait.

Pete H.

Quality Manager and Chief Engineer (Completely unqualified on paper but with donkeys years of key experiance, for the old ones amongst you I remember MX panels being installed new- now that is old!!!)

Big Jig.

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Quality Manager

Direct Security Systems (Midlands) Limited

NSI Gold.

Good engineers always ask questions!!

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Quality Manager and Chief Engineer (Completely unqualified on paper but with donkeys years of key experiance,

Scariest!!

All those years & nothing?

In your business operation manual for your iso you will probably have a heading of resource management, under which employees are required to be competent, aware & trained ect.., this does not have to done out of house, but from my pov a nvq or c&g is better than an inhouse training record.

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Scary!

Scarier!

Scariest!!

Agree, it is long past time that proper regulation was brought to this industry with licensing based on skills - there is absolutely no reason why every engineer cannot gain an NVQ based on past work experience and on-site assessment.

Such a state of affairs would transform the industry for the better.

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We all know paper qualifications don't mean didly without some good foundation knowledge etc.

One of our apprentices is doing the first year electronics, it's very interesting and I'm learning a lot!, but also a lot of it is completely pointless.

The only point of getting some "paper" behind you is if you have to justify your competency in court at some time.... :whistle:

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The only point of getting some "paper" behind you is if you have to justify your competency in court at some time.... :whistle:

Very true.

Most companies will be evolved in legal disputes at some or another so lets have all the documentation in place for when it goes tits up (to use the legal term)

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In my day as an apprentice we had to do it and pass to kept on. Mind you I did have a year of electronics behind me first. Not many employers ask for them but agencies love it if you have them. Although it does stand you good with the basics there is nothing that beats learning on the job at 3 in the morning.

cheers Kev

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