esp-protocol Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 Froma recent H&S publication..... Building firm fined after worker falls from ladderA building firm from Hampshire, Drew Smith, has been fined Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ALSEC Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 H&S tip for ladders - don't fall off them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secboy Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 Froma recent H&S publication.....Obviously the employer didn't send him to scouts to get his "knot badge". No wonder small companies don't want to employ people unless they have to, it seems that if you're an employee you are absolved from any responsibility for your own safety (or others).... Isuspect he hadn't been put on a course to train him on the correct use of ladders as the fine is so high ? ALL employers MUST do this now to cover themselves and reduce there own liability if they dont then they are going to be made an example of to teach others what must be done. Most serious injuries and death are a result of falling off ladders and are preventable! ladders as a basic requirement of the working at height legislation must NOT be used as a long term working platform---how long is long? at the moment as long as the piece of elastic in my pocket!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon_D Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 if we all done what the HSE wanted, prices would be through the roof. fit a bellbox. how many use scaffold (unless its somewhere you can access by ladder)? instead of a ladder? or maybe hire a cherry picker to go round washing windows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cerberus NI Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 Expenseive or not - the onus is on the employer to assure that their staff get adequate training, are issued with relevant PPE for their job and monitor that all procedures are carried out as required - thats the way its,plain and simple (takes away basic common sense I know but there you go!). This wasn't the guy installing a fire alarm on the "No Win/No Fee" ad?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfur mo Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 i pass by a builders merchents which outside has a 2.6 ft square scaffold platform made out of the same gear the access platforms are made of. now it would be very nice to use - if you could ever get it into the position required on a flat surface and your good at flat-pak assemby. regs aln If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon_D Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 was talking to the window cleaner a few month back. he's been cleaning windows for over 30 years. must go up the ladder hundreds of times a day. and then he gets a letter from HSE saying he needs to go on a course on how to use a ladder. now, since he has been doing it for over 30 years, he has a pretty good idea of what to look out for! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cerberus NI Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 was talking to the window cleaner a few month back. he's been cleaning windows for over 30 years. must go up the ladder hundreds of times a day. and then he gets a letter from HSE saying he needs to go on a course on how to use a ladder. now, since he has been doing it for over 30 years, he has a pretty good idea of what to look out for! He should have nae bother passing it then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esp-protocol Posted June 11, 2006 Author Share Posted June 11, 2006 We just did half a day of "harness" training. Apparently I am now qualified to not only to use a harness, but to inspect harnesses as well ! ...... money for old rope.... or lanyard as the case may be ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secboy Posted June 11, 2006 Share Posted June 11, 2006 We just did half a day of "harness" training. Apparently I am now qualified to not only to use a harness, but to inspect harnesses as well !...... money for old rope.... or lanyard as the case may be ! Ascerberus has put it its not the fact that some people are not competant to do the function its that they have to prove that they have been told the correct method at least on a recognised course if you then disregard that training it is at your own personal risk of injury and risk of being sued for damages for 3rd party injury and fined by hse for non compliance of the regs?. If you are an employer you at least reduce your liability if you have trained your staff in the correct methods and they then hurt themselves and try to blame you for not training them. The new regs are not designed to prevent you from carrying out a job it is designed to encourage the safest method to be used "where practable" this phrase is very important and should be remembered as such-it is not wrong pursey to use a ladder to install a outside sounder but the risk should be considered and the method used 1.Keep the likelihood of an accident occuring to the minimum and 2.Keep the severity of injury from that accident to a minimum. Therefore use a ladder with stabalisers or ensure it is secured or have a second person footing the base not using with none of the above on a slippery suface on a slope with traffic passing at 40mph within 3cm,if the new regs are interprited positively it will help us stay healthy plus we cant ignore it guys the rules are there and the desk drivers will enforce it but if anyone wants a tip for a career move train up and start a health and safety training company the next few years will be a great earner!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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