FASTCAR Posted July 25, 2006 Posted July 25, 2006 The GJD system gives an audible alert inside and can usually be heard outside also , lets them know that they have been spotted.
Guest Alarm Guard Posted July 25, 2006 Posted July 25, 2006 I like the car alarm on Peter Kays Phoenix nights. When activated, lights flash and a recorded voice shouts, " Keep away you b$$t$rds, I'll break your legs"
arfur mo Posted July 25, 2006 Posted July 25, 2006 Always a good deterrent? I don't think so, more like an aid. Who is up and about at 2am looking to see who is walking about in their back garden - no one, the the lights come on, the intruder can see exactly where to go and IF disturbed can run away safely.Lighting is an aid to the householder, can see to empty the car, not trip over the childrens toys etc and IF an intruder has been disturbed, can watch him run away. I have never understood why "lighting is always a good deterrent" it's not. Sales pitch? magpye hi magpie, lighting, noise and dogs are the best intruder deterrents, they want to be seruptitious. may be no one will take any notice, but my wife wakes if the porche light comes on (automatic coach lamp) and we sleep in the back of the home - as for me, if a helecopter landed on the roof and removed it - i'd never hear it. at night, being suddenly illuminated an intruder is never sure if someone will notice him/her so tend to make there exit stage left, rather than risk a neighbour who happens to be looking out of a window at the time - not saying it works every time intruders are all different but if it stops one it's worth it. as dave says GJD do an excellent and reliable kit, but compared to the cost of a 10 quid auto flood from shed they are an expensive option. some auto floods have a plug in 'chime' which works during the day as well as night. all the above should be installed by a competant trained electrician due to risk of injury or fatal shock from lethal high voltage potential mains supplies. i'm not keen on generic dummy camera's, they tend to be so obvious and experienced villains know them, so just buy some 'proper' housings and place a cheap camera from ebay inside it. i would be careful altering a sirens appearance, or fitting different LEDs as a deterrent, as it can be made to look DIY and so amature and ignored by a thief. you also have some high voltage available if the strobe is operated, could burn or cause you to fall from your ladder and injure yourself. but please get an engineer in - they are at least trained and you will usually get loads of good advice thrown in for a nice cup of tea . regs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!!
secboy Posted July 25, 2006 Posted July 25, 2006 Good points allan but dont bother with a cheap camera inside just stuff a black bin bag in the housing and it looks like smoked glass with the camera behind and for gods sake dont use one with a red flashing led.
Service Engineer Posted July 25, 2006 Posted July 25, 2006 I have never understood why "lighting is always a good deterrent" it's not. Sales pitch?Im not selling any lights..? And Lighting IS a good deterant. ........................................................ Dave Partridge (Romec Service Engineer)
magpye Posted July 25, 2006 Posted July 25, 2006 I thought would tell a short? story about lighting, the sort that the majority of people have, not the GJD variety, and unless you have repeaters all around the house you'll never hear it anyway, they are SO quiet. Asleep in bed at approx 01:30, middle of winter so very dark, two buzzers connected to a Pulnix IR Beam fitted about 6" from the outside wall of my house went off, indicating that someone was outside (never had a F/A). This beam by the way was fitted in this position to make it impossible for my father who had dementia, to leave the house, via doors or windows, without our knowledge. The beam went from the TX through a solid gate with a hole to a mirror, off at an angle, through another gate to the RX. These gates were kept shut with bolts that could not be reached from "the wrong side". To get to these gates two walls covered with brambles and a stream had to be crossed, all this area was covered by 4 floods all operated by PIRs, the rear of the house could not be reached from any direction without operating at least 2 of these PIRs / floods. When I looked out of the window to see what was going on there were two guys, now running / falling away, they must have heard one of the two buzzers and then me opening the window, all four floods were on giving perfect illumination to the back of the house. Now, if the beam had not been there these guys could have gained entry at the point they were making for and possibly we would not have known until the morning. My point is, the use of the words "is always a good deterrent", is just not correct as the example above shows, if lights were a deterrent they would have been gone when the 1st .. 2nd .. 3rd .. 4th came on, all these lights did were to light the way, the beam saved the day (night) I can think of many instances that have been related to me over the years of similar stories. As I said before, lights are an aid to the householder (and makes them feel secure), not a bad thing I know, but NOT a deterrent. magpye Someone told me I was ignorant and apathetic, I don't know what that means, nor do I care.
arfur mo Posted July 25, 2006 Posted July 25, 2006 Good points allan but dont bother with a cheap camera inside just stuff a black bin bag in the housing and it looks like smoked glass with the camera behind and for gods sake dont use one with a red flashing led. had my beautiful new grand daughter over last week end, so what about a used nappy liner bag - for ir ability as i'm sure that stink would easily make it glow in the dark! better than any blinking LED ebay here i come! rehs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!!
arfur mo Posted July 25, 2006 Posted July 25, 2006 My point is, the use of the words "is always a good deterrent", is just not correct as the example above shows, if lights were a deterrent they would have been gone when the 1st .. 2nd .. 3rd .. 4th came on, all these lights did were to light the way, the beam saved the day (night)I can think of many instances that have been related to me over the years of similar stories. As I said before, lights are an aid to the householder (and makes them feel secure), not a bad thing I know, but NOT a deterrent. magpye hi magpye, automatic security lighting is a good deterrent for the average opertunist thief, we do not say the ultimate or even concidere it a 'fit all' approach. human beings vary greatly, and this applies as to what will deter one thief and not another. we often fit a panic buttons to alarm systems, this sounds the sirens and designed to scare away an intruder - but it can not be claimed always to do so. the same as had you grabbed a baseball batt and challenged them (not a good idea so don't ever do this), they may not have fled in fear but actually attacked you being greater in numbers. think a moment of the brinks matt roberry or the recent heath row hiest, the secuity was very tight after brinks, and i bet even tighter at heath row. i'd bet both believed impregnable - but they got raided and a vast ammount of money stolen from both, despite all the cameras, access control, vaults and alarm systems inplace costing many thousands of pounds - so where do you draw a line for your and other domestic situations? usually a conpromise in cost and a better than nothing approach is used. regs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!!
brizee Posted July 27, 2006 Posted July 27, 2006 every one knows modern were bought out years ago by //.National Installer.//, an old bell of a company who dont exist, and havent for a few years can be an invite.( i no ive taken down enough old boxes) have the alarm on an agreement . The takeover firm benefit from this and so do you. I changed hundreds for //.National Installer.// when they bought telecom security.
arfur mo Posted July 27, 2006 Posted July 27, 2006 every one knows modern were bought out years ago by //.National Installer.//, an old bell of a company who dont exist, and havent for a few years can be an invite.( i no ive taken down enough old boxes) have the alarm on an agreement . The takeover firm benefit from this and so do you. I changed hundreds for //.National Installer.// when they bought telecom security. talking old bell covers, who remmembers the bell with the actual bell graffic on the lid by brock's showed the villain exactely where to drill and jamm the clanger just wonder how many jobs got knocked over because of it regs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!!
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