Night Vision Advise

[Guest]

IP cams will come and yes i feel will take over. But i think it will take ip 3-5 years.

Sorry James I don't agree.

If they are so great how come when Baxall set up their specialist network wing at IFSEC years ago, where's the revolution?

CCTV camera technology has in the past been driven in tandem with the camcorder market.

The problem with IP cameras you have to know what you are talking about in IT. How many engineers do you know that are very IP literate? Even more so how many company owners are IT literate? If these guys are not 100% comfortable with the product, they won't sell it.

A friend of mine who owns a security company in Weston went on a training course in IP cameras for a specific project. It blew his mind and he still hasn't got a clue. Also how many big companies have got the stereotype stuck in their ways old salesman that has just about got his head around DVR's

Dave

[Guest Director of COP Security]

Well I am very very impressed.

I have attched two pics taken a few mins ago (yes I haven't changed the DVR clock yet ).

Cam 1 is a digital colour and Cam 3 is the new COP Colour / Mono.

Dave

Thanks Dave, if you like that camera you will love the new version we have coming out in the New Year CA45EDC.

We have up rated the sensor to a Sony HQ1 chip and the boards are being manufactured in Japan by Hitachi.

The resolution is up as is the low light sensitivity. They should be out now but we are finishing off testing and final tweaks.

Chris

[WatchdogSecurity]

Sorry James I don't agree.

If they are so great how come when Baxall set up their specialist network wing at IFSEC years ago, where's the revolution?

CCTV camera technology has in the past been driven in tandem with the camcorder market.

The problem with IP cameras you have to know what you are talking about in IT. How many engineers do you know that are very IP literate? Even more so how many company owners are IT literate? If these guys are not 100% comfortable with the product, they won't sell it.

A friend of mine who owns a security company in Weston went on a training course in IP cameras for a specific project. It blew his mind and he still hasn't got a clue. Also how many big companies have got the stereotype stuck in their ways old salesman that has just about got his head around DVR's

Dave

Very true, im from an IT background and most of our work is networks, but even with knowlege of TCP/IP, subnetting, VLANs etc, as said before, extra burden on networks and also more points of failure exist in the form of DHCP Servers / Routers / Switches etc, and also when have you seen existing Data outlets in corners of rooms and above ceilings as standard, hence cabling back to Comms cabinets is required anyway, so Engineers tend to stick to tried and trusted methods, without all the extra hassle and training, so the advantages are cancelled out by the disadvantages or additional work needed to use this technolgy.

[bellman]

'Trade only' sounds like a sort of restrictive practice that reeks of cartel-ism or protectionism and is often a sign that something is amiss.

Not at all, it indicates a professional supplier that takes his trade clients seriously.

No trade user would buy from a supplier that sells to the public also.

did you buy your car direct from the manufacturer or a dealer, what about your tv or hifi? direct from the manufacturer or from a retail shop?????

why should the cctv trade be any different??

I would be happy to employ a 'professional' if I had some guarantee of a professional job but that has not been my experience. Since there is no regulation and no certification, choosing an installer is something of a lottery. I have had discussions with several installers that only served to reveal their ignorance of technical issues that they really should have understood.

In that case, (and as others have noted.) get an approved installer in, there is then regulation and certification as you mention above. If your looking at unregulated and unapproved installers (the cheeper end of the market at a guess) you will be taking your chances, Please don't take that the wrong way though. there are several very good unapproved and uninspected installers but you as a customer wouldn't know how to tell them apart, It may be pertinant to ask some local people who have had systems installed what their opinions and experiances of their installers have been, you can then see at first hand the workmanship and the quality of the equipment.

Anyway, have it your way. I will predict that 18 months from now things will be very different!

Stop it by sides are splitting. I'll do a prediction also, in 18 months the industry will be just as it is now and you still won't be able to buy from a proper trade supplier!

Regards

Bellman

[Guest Director of COP Security]

I have to agree with James IP cameras are the way forward but it will be a couple of years before they become main stream.

The prospect of a pure digital system instead of digital to analogue, analogue to digital and then back to analogue again offers some real gains in performance (on paper).

The main problems at the moment are that in order to get IP cameras main stream we need better low light capabilities and we need to develop true digital DVR's.

There are some of these systems on the market but they are on the expensive side and the performance gains are not big enough to make it worth wile changing from conventional systems.

But change is in the "post" watch this space

Chris

[Guest]

Is that someone climbing in/out of your 1st floor balcony?

Cam 3 does look impressive, how does it compare in price with the Dynamic new low-light vandal dome?

We are in public so I will PM you the price.

I don't use Dynamic so I don't know the price.

I had a dome there before and some *&%"

[Guest Director of COP Security]

You could still sell to the public at a retail price and give discount to trade – I would have no problem with that as trade are buying lots of kit and giving customer backup. 'Trade only' sounds like a sort of restrictive practice that reeks of cartel-ism or protectionism and is often a sign that something is amiss.

Sorry I didn’t mean to sound trite when I explained our position, I have looked at you web site (quite nice BTW) and noted that you are an importer and supplier of PC systems and components. Your market is somewhat different from ours in that although we are importers we are also manufactures and we are linked to COP in Taiwan, China, USA Denmark, and now Columbia.

It’s always been our policy to supply to installers and other distributors only.

It’s a bit like me going to your web site finding out what I want, maybe calling your sales staff and getting some technical advice but then going to ASUS direct and buying a motherboard.

But ASUS won’t sell direct to me as I am not an approved distributor.

Regards

Chris

[cutwitt]

I think you've led a very sheltered life!

Every "trade" has a trade-only supply network, it has nothing to do with protectionism and certainly does not indicate anything being amiss.

Well what about all the building trades?

[Guest]

We are in public so I will PM you the price.

I don't use Dynamic so I don't know the price.

I had a dome there before and some *&%"

[Guest Director of COP Security]

Is that someone climbing in/out of your 1st floor balcony?

Cam 3 does look impressive, how does it compare in price with the Dynamic new low-light vandal dome?

I know we fell out RJB but we also have a new vandal dome with the same camera board and a 3.7 - 12mm varifocal auto iris lens (Japan made).

Available Monday