james.wilson Posted December 2, 2006 Posted December 2, 2006 i always thought the nationals operated in a similar fashion but have never worked for any of them. It would be nice to one of the others take it on and sort it out securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount.
C.Simmons Tech Services Posted December 2, 2006 Posted December 2, 2006 ChrisYou are having a laugh aren't you? I've subbied to them for 3 years of and on and I find them as disorganised as the rest. There jobs NEVER go in on hours and their NOPS divison is shocking. The ATS alarm panel is the worst creation ever, it is an abortion. Agreed the monitoring centre is very good and friendly operators as well. Dave I suppose it depends on which branch you work out of?? Wots wrong with the ATS?? the only down fall i find is the expanders anit that big if usint he plastic boxed type. I have installed 3 this week and can program them in about 20 mins. The more I use them the more i'm understanding them. They are alot better than wot you lot slag them on here. It fits the customers needs and its beats using the galaxy,how common lol. The keypads look nice and the zone text is a lot better than all other panels on the market.(4 lines of text). I believe this is why nationals are using it cos the xsia text is better than the rest. Chris
Guest Posted December 2, 2006 Posted December 2, 2006 I suppose it depends on which branch you work out of?? Wots wrong with the ATS?? the only down fall i find is the expanders anit that big if usint he plastic boxed type. I have installed 3 this week and can program them in about 20 mins. The more I use them the more i'm understanding them. They are alot better than wot you lot slag them on here. It fits the customers needs and its beats using the galaxy,how common lol. The keypads look nice and the zone text is a lot better than all other panels on the market.(4 lines of text). I believe this is why nationals are using it cos the xsia text is better than the rest. Chris Chris Agreed on branch . As for the ATS, come on mate you have got to be joking. The ATS is the biggest piece of rubbish ever developed and here's why:- 1. You can't star data lines. You also have to run a seperate 12v as you can't take aux power from expander 12v. 2. The panel can only take two data lines unless you buy a line driver. 3. The remote keypads are dire. They won't mount over a 1 gang electrical box due to hole positions. The cable entrances are the worst in the market. If you have two beldons going into it, you will struggle to terminate both cables in the tiny terminal block. 4. The plastic DGP's are the pits. The metal DGP's have only one 20mm knock out and so if it is full, you can't fit a grommet as there is no room. 5. The outputs on DGP's are a nightmare. You have to cut a lead in half and connector strip cables, there are no terminal blocks for the outputs. The outputs are weak and will just about drive a buzzer and nothing else, even on a neg. 6. The panels don't come with extra RAM as standard, you have to buy extra. Without extra RAM the log is substantially reduced and you have limited user codes. To add RAM requires a defualt. 7. The zone type in the panel change on a daily basis. The worst example is PA. There are currently 3-4 different PA zone types that all do different things. For example one type will trigger the PA output but won't trigger a PA responce via Digi. This zone will not automatically trigger signalling you have to manually program a event flag, very dangerous. When a new PA circuit is designed they don't overite exisiting they make a new one, what's worse they don't delete old circuit types. 8. The ATS has software flaws galore. One of the first which I think has been corrected is the panel required a default if you entered wrong data in comms. Currently if you power the panel up without 4.7K on zones 1 & 2 will result in the panel never sending open and close signals. Another current flaw is the system shows a fault on a spurious zone which stops the system setting. You have to take the zone out of an area and then re-instate it to clear it. 9. When you enter Service mode on the latest version, you are unable to cancel any alarms with user code. You have to exit service, cancel an alarm and then go back into service. The user code won't overide a system in service like the Galaxy, and will stop the panel setting, resulting in a return engineer visit. 10. The panel has no chime. You have to program a zone to event flag which is not operable by the user. ie: It always chimes or it never chimes. 11. Programming user codes is the pits. The user has to program name, program alarm group to tell the system user level, floor group???, Door Group ????? and then program fob or code. 12. The progamming was designed by a computer programmer using flags. Far from straight forward. 13. There is no engineer mode as such. You have to individually inhibit every keypad or expander you want to open. You will still get tamper alarms from the circuits in them. 14. The latest grade3 version will allow the keypad to go blank even though you have faults. If the keypad has gone into # mode the user will need to badge fob 4 times to set. If you are already in menu then you only have to badge 3 times. You can be in zone test emmiting a bleep to say the zone is open and the keypad will still go to sleep. You have to go back in and then go to zone testing to silence the bleep. 15. Titan downloading software is rubbish. In fact it is worse than rubbish. Thats just off the top of my head, did I miss anything? Dave
james.wilson Posted December 2, 2006 Posted December 2, 2006 lol never used em, i liked the old aritechs though. you have one at home then dave?!? lol securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount.
vandamme Posted December 2, 2006 Posted December 2, 2006 ChrisAgreed on branch . As for the ATS, come on mate you have got to be joking. The ATS is the biggest piece of rubbish ever developed and here's why:- 1. You can't star data lines. You also have to run a seperate 12v as you can't take aux power from expander 12v. 2. The panel can only take two data lines unless you buy a line driver. 3. The remote keypads are dire. They won't mount over a 1 gang electrical box due to hole positions. The cable entrances are the worst in the market. If you have two beldons going into it, you will struggle to terminate both cables in the tiny terminal block. 4. The plastic DGP's are the pits. The metal DGP's have only one 20mm knock out and so if it is full, you can't fit a grommet as there is no room. 5. The outputs on DGP's are a nightmare. You have to cut a lead in half and connector strip cables, there are no terminal blocks for the outputs. The outputs are weak and will just about drive a buzzer and nothing else, even on a neg. 6. The panels don't come with extra RAM as standard, you have to buy extra. Without extra RAM the log is substantially reduced and you have limited user codes. To add RAM requires a defualt. 7. The zone type in the panel change on a daily basis. The worst example is PA. There are currently 3-4 different PA zone types that all do different things. For example one type will trigger the PA output but won't trigger a PA responce via Digi. This zone will not automatically trigger signalling you have to manually program a event flag, very dangerous. When a new PA circuit is designed they don't overite exisiting they make a new one, what's worse they don't delete old circuit types. 8. The ATS has software flaws galore. One of the first which I think has been corrected is the panel required a default if you entered wrong data in comms. Currently if you power the panel up without 4.7K on zones 1 & 2 will result in the panel never sending open and close signals. Another current flaw is the system shows a fault on a spurious zone which stops the system setting. You have to take the zone out of an area and then re-instate it to clear it. 9. When you enter Service mode on the latest version, you are unable to cancel any alarms with user code. You have to exit service, cancel an alarm and then go back into service. The user code won't overide a system in service like the Galaxy, and will stop the panel setting, resulting in a return engineer visit. 10. The panel has no chime. You have to program a zone to event flag which is not operable by the user. ie: It always chimes or it never chimes. 11. Programming user codes is the pits. The user has to program name, program alarm group to tell the system user level, floor group???, Door Group ????? and then program fob or code. 12. The progamming was designed by a computer programmer using flags. Far from straight forward. 13. There is no engineer mode as such. You have to individually inhibit every keypad or expander you want to open. You will still get tamper alarms from the circuits in them. 14. The latest grade3 version will allow the keypad to go blank even though you have faults. If the keypad has gone into # mode the user will need to badge fob 4 times to set. If you are already in menu then you only have to badge 3 times. You can be in zone test emmiting a bleep to say the zone is open and the keypad will still go to sleep. You have to go back in and then go to zone testing to silence the bleep. 15. Titan downloading software is rubbish. In fact it is worse than rubbish. Thats just off the top of my head, did I miss anything? Dave SSAIB Approved. If it ain't broke, you ain't trying hard enough
Stal. Posted December 2, 2006 Author Posted December 2, 2006 ChrisAgreed on branch . As for the ATS, come on mate you have got to be joking. The ATS is the biggest piece of rubbish ever developed and here's why:- 1. You can't star data lines. You also have to run a seperate 12v as you can't take aux power from expander 12v. 2. The panel can only take two data lines unless you buy a line driver. 3. The remote keypads are dire. They won't mount over a 1 gang electrical box due to hole positions. The cable entrances are the worst in the market. If you have two beldons going into it, you will struggle to terminate both cables in the tiny terminal block. 4. The plastic DGP's are the pits. The metal DGP's have only one 20mm knock out and so if it is full, you can't fit a grommet as there is no room. 5. The outputs on DGP's are a nightmare. You have to cut a lead in half and connector strip cables, there are no terminal blocks for the outputs. The outputs are weak and will just about drive a buzzer and nothing else, even on a neg. 6. The panels don't come with extra RAM as standard, you have to buy extra. Without extra RAM the log is substantially reduced and you have limited user codes. To add RAM requires a defualt. 7. The zone type in the panel change on a daily basis. The worst example is PA. There are currently 3-4 different PA zone types that all do different things. For example one type will trigger the PA output but won't trigger a PA responce via Digi. This zone will not automatically trigger signalling you have to manually program a event flag, very dangerous. When a new PA circuit is designed they don't overite exisiting they make a new one, what's worse they don't delete old circuit types. 8. The ATS has software flaws galore. One of the first which I think has been corrected is the panel required a default if you entered wrong data in comms. Currently if you power the panel up without 4.7K on zones 1 & 2 will result in the panel never sending open and close signals. Another current flaw is the system shows a fault on a spurious zone which stops the system setting. You have to take the zone out of an area and then re-instate it to clear it. 9. When you enter Service mode on the latest version, you are unable to cancel any alarms with user code. You have to exit service, cancel an alarm and then go back into service. The user code won't overide a system in service like the Galaxy, and will stop the panel setting, resulting in a return engineer visit. 10. The panel has no chime. You have to program a zone to event flag which is not operable by the user. ie: It always chimes or it never chimes. 11. Programming user codes is the pits. The user has to program name, program alarm group to tell the system user level, floor group???, Door Group ????? and then program fob or code. 12. The progamming was designed by a computer programmer using flags. Far from straight forward. 13. There is no engineer mode as such. You have to individually inhibit every keypad or expander you want to open. You will still get tamper alarms from the circuits in them. 14. The latest grade3 version will allow the keypad to go blank even though you have faults. If the keypad has gone into # mode the user will need to badge fob 4 times to set. If you are already in menu then you only have to badge 3 times. You can be in zone test emmiting a bleep to say the zone is open and the keypad will still go to sleep. You have to go back in and then go to zone testing to silence the bleep. 15. Titan downloading software is rubbish. In fact it is worse than rubbish. Thats just off the top of my head, did I miss anything? Dave Great post Dave. 16. The ATS has no Part Guard setting. UTC - The dawn of a new era !
Stal. Posted December 2, 2006 Author Posted December 2, 2006 ChrisYou are having a laugh aren't you? I've subbied to them for 3 years of and on and I find them as disorganised as the rest. There jobs NEVER go in on hours and their NOPS divison is shocking. The ATS alarm panel is the worst creation ever, it is an abortion. Agreed the monitoring centre is very good and friendly operators as well. Dave Guess it depends on what branch you subby for. The guys who do work for us have no probs at all. Agree what you say about NOPS though ! UTC - The dawn of a new era !
Stal. Posted December 2, 2006 Author Posted December 2, 2006 Maybe GE Security might consider,that got an install side in the USA.??Chris Hope not or we'll be stuck with the ATS for good UTC - The dawn of a new era !
james.wilson Posted December 2, 2006 Posted December 2, 2006 i think your stuck with tha ats either way. What do they use, ats and gal? i suppose its like chubb and the guardall, arnt they a bit wierd too in places securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount.
Guest Posted December 2, 2006 Posted December 2, 2006 i think your stuck with tha ats either way. What do they use, ats and gal?i suppose its like chubb and the guardall, arnt they a bit wierd too in places In our local branch, it is ATS all the way, except when a National insists on the Gal. Dave Great post Dave.16. The ATS has no Part Guard setting. Who's going for no.17? Dave
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