dm360 Posted January 16, 2007 Posted January 16, 2007 To anyone who is interested?... 1. I brought a Intellisense Alarm system which included all the basic bits, Control Box, 2 x PIR, Bell Box, Dummy, Door latches and a roll of 8 core. The pack up did not come with many instructions! 2. I laid the 8 core while I was ripping out the ceilings in my house to rennovate it, I led them all to where the control box was going to be and asked a friendly electrician to provide a fused mains power supply from my consumer board. 3. Attached brackets to the walls for the PIRs, attached the door latch and the bell boxes. I then wired the system and followed the scant installer instructions to power up the system. 4. I have tested the system and re-programmed the codes - it seems to work just fine! 5. It took me about 7 days over a few months. I encountered the following problems: a. How to wire a door magnetic latch - simple but not obvious to someone who has not done it before. b. How to wire a global tamper in series. Both this problems were solved with the help of this forum - thanks! I also recommend typing in 'wiring a Global tamper' into Google..I found an instruction manual for a different system but its instructions were very clear and helped a great deal to grasp the concepts. You need to view this particular one in PDF at http://www.dsigo.com/files/INS600-12VDC_311006.PDF - use google to find. c. My bell box kept sounding when I attached the battery. This turned out to be incorrect wiring from the control panel to the + and - power supply of the bell box. This was compounded by the fact that the bellbox and the control panel had different labels for the same connections despite being out of the same pack up and both units had different labels to the instruction manuals that came with them! Thanks Honeywell!!! A multi-meter (
Adi Posted January 16, 2007 Posted January 16, 2007 Disconnect your speaker in your control panel and fit one some where else if your rkp is not next to the entry door. I really can't be ar**** with it anymore.
Adi Posted January 16, 2007 Posted January 16, 2007 Just another thought, you havent got an onboard rkp with the panel in your hall, have you. I really can't be ar**** with it anymore.
Guest Posted January 16, 2007 Posted January 16, 2007 well done on your achievements. However do not confuse your well done efforts with a professionally installed system. There are a few differences, which of course we cannot go into here. But once again if your happy well done.
Guest Posted January 16, 2007 Posted January 16, 2007 1. I brought a Intellisense Alarm system which included all the basic bits, Control Box, 2 x PIR, Bell Box, Dummy, Door latches and a roll of 8 core. The pack up did not come with many instructions!Not the best choice for a DIY'er in my opinion. I suggest a Texecom R8+ which has an excellent instruction manual and much better kit than the Intellisence. The problem buying in a kit is you are stuck with what you have given. You admit yourself you may need longer range sensors. 2. I laid the 8 core while I was ripping out the ceilings in my house to rennovate it, I led them all to where the control box was going to be and asked a friendly electrician to provide a fused mains power supply from my consumer board. Not all DIY'ers will have the luxury to knock down a few walls to put some cables in. As part of the service offered by proffesional installers is (hopefully) a neat install. Just check with your neighbours who installed their's. Very sensible advice about the fused mains spur. 3. Attached brackets to the walls for the PIRs, attached the door latch and the bell boxes. I then wired the system and followed the scant installer instructions to power up the system. Don't like those brackets. I use Pyronix PIR's and they come with brackets. You could easily push the PIR away without causing a tamper. How to wire a global tamper in series. Global tampers are to be avoided as you will never know where the fault is during an intermitant tamper fault. I have saved myself a considerable amount of cash, I have a working alarm system How much do you value your time? It took you 7 days to install it when a pro would probably take a day. I understand you took satisfaction over your project but I would hardly call it a money saver. Advice from a proffesional, 1. Don't buy a kit, you need to select components to meet the requirements. 12m PIR or 15m PIR. Flush door contact or surface. 2. Always get an electrician to make the mains connections. 3. Never stuff cables under carpets, the gripper rods will spike them and cause problems. 4. Get somebody to foot your ladder as per OP. Rod Hull snuffed it falling of a ladder tuning his TV aerial! 5. Make sure you date your battery so you change it after 5 years not 15! 6. Don't bother with global tampers. Either get a panel that handles individual tampers or don't connect them. 7. If you change the engineering code, remember it! Better still save yourself all the hastle and spend a few hundred pounds for a proffesional to install it. Take away all the hastle when things go wrong. Problems with alarms are very embarrasing as the sounder can sometimes keep going when the alarm is turned off. How embarrasing at 2am! Dave
james.wilson Posted January 16, 2007 Posted January 16, 2007 id like to add a bit of realism. Yes the panel may have weaknesses but its a kit bought as a diy install. I doubt any of use control equipment with weknesses like this but backs thae stance of no defaulting info in public. The guy wanted to do his own alarm and buy the time you 'pay for' the guys time its an expensive install, but the guy wanted to do it rather than get a pro or an approved company in. People sometimes do, and they will never get us to do it for them Don't like those brackets. I use Pyronix PIR's and they come with brackets. You could easily push the PIR away without causing a tamper.those that know me know im a regulation man, but these brackets rarly comply, diyers love them but IMO put them in the bin where they belong.So you think it better to have no tamper then global?I thought we were swapping bats every 3 yrs now? Aaron i know you and arfur are the new regulation oracle and look forward to you quoteing where '3 years' comes from, you may i dont and its not a requirement unless your using naff batteries i suppose and noone ever suggested that no tamper was better than a global. Of course a global is better and was fine for years (you i assume then have never used a global tamper?) Also under the new regs (which in this case are immaterial) allow a G1 install without tampers. Backwards step maybe but still compliant. Thats why few professioanl installers fit G1 systems I would persoannly like to congratulte the op on a working system you may be right taht we would find lots wrong with it (maybe) but i understand that you wanted o do this yourself. But please ensure its relaibel, test it regularly and make sure it rarely activates. Also you r theory on diallers is flawed but hey its better than an audible (just lol) securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount.
Guest Posted January 17, 2007 Posted January 17, 2007 So you think it better to have no tamper then global?I thought we were swapping bats every 3 yrs now? how ironic its "professional" atleast spell it right couldn't resist mate lol [ps: i'm not the worlds best at spelling either] As far as the panel having "inherent weakness" a few panels codes are reset in this way, and no most if any thives don't know about it, they tend to prefer the lump hammer. PS: No control panels we fit as a company can be reset in this manner, there is another reason for a professional install, plus our name on the bell box is worth its weight in gold in the right area. James It's a DIY alarm which IMO very much qualifies for a Grade 1 status. What chance has a DIY'er got of finding a intermitatnt tamper fault? As for 3 year batttery changes, what a load of tosh, money making scam if you ask me. Dave
Guest Posted January 17, 2007 Posted January 17, 2007 It's a DIY alarm which IMO very much qualifies for a Grade 1 status. not with out the paperwork..... As for 3 year batttery changes, what a load of tosh, money making scam if you ask me. all the current batterys have nothing like the life of the older ones
Guest Alarm Guard Posted January 17, 2007 Posted January 17, 2007 JamesIt's a DIY alarm which IMO very much qualifies for a Grade 1 status. What chance has a DIY'er got of finding a intermitatnt tamper fault? As for 3 year batttery changes, what a load of tosh, money making scam if you ask me. Dave Bit of a misunderstanding about grade 1 methinks. A DIY isn't Grade 1... it doesn't have any Grade unless a risk analysis has been carried out and there is paperwork to confirm the install spec. and grade... so for a usual DIY it is ungraded.
Guest Posted January 17, 2007 Posted January 17, 2007 Bit of a misunderstanding about grade 1 methinks.A DIY isn't Grade 1... it doesn't have any Grade unless a risk analysis has been carried out and there is paperwork to confirm the install spec. and grade... so for a usual DIY it is ungraded. James Yeah agree, ungraded=do what you like=don't bother with the tampers if global is your only option (bell tamper is a must though). Dave
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