Just Alarms???

[An Engineer]

I will be setting up in the trade myself whenI feel the time is right. However one question bothers me. Is there enough work for a non-approved installer to rely purely on alarm systems. I would also advertise telephone extension sockets and security lighting. However, do I need to have electrical qualifications to fit security lights in someones house?

I also thought that it would be a good idea to have attended college to become a qualified electrician and then I could also carry out electrical work.

What does anyone else think as I'm not too sure.

[Guest Peter James]

Just Security is probably better Warwick.

If your a good installer you will be able to survive by subbing, (always do a good job and you wont ever be out of work) until you've built yourself up.

Pete

[Guest Adrian]

B) I'm in the process of setting up on my own, how do you go about subing for other companys?

Adrian B)

[Service Engineer]

Just approach them and offer your services.

[Guest Peter James]

When I was just starting I wrote to every company in the yp with my CV . We cannot take on subbys without 1st vetting them. and other approved companys would be the same so be aware that this will happen.

Pete

[Guest Adrian]

B) Ok then what is the norm ,is it a set rate for servicing ,mileage or what!

adrian B)

[Guest Peter James]

Its been a long time since I used a subbie but I used to pay £130.00 a day upwards sometimes.

I think you will find its mostly installation work its rare that anyone wants a service subbie (but I spose not impossible)

Pete

[Guest simmo]

Warwick,

Pete is not far off the mark for subbie work price wise, obviously it depends who you work for and what work you are doing.

I find the alarm installation side is the bread and butter, the CCTV side brings in more profit.

I specialise in motorcycle ground anchors and physical security. Again there is not a massive profit margin but it all adds up at the end of the month.

The more strings to your bow the better for your company - however try not to run before you can walk.

Look after your customers and word will get around. Sometimes in the beginning you have to go that extra mile to meet their demands and some can be demanding - but bite the bullet and it will eventually pay dividends.

Just don't expect to start tomorrow and for the work to roll in - as most guys on here will tell you it's hard work and there is lots of competition.

I'm currently non-approved, however I'm gearing up for approval. You can look at another thread for this debate - everybody has their own opinion.

Simmo B)

[morph]

Going to college and getting electrical qualifications would be an extremely good move, as the proposed changes to the Building Regulations will require all electrical installations to comply with them and electrical qualifications will be a requirement.

At present anyone can install electrical equipment, providing that the installation complies with BS7671 and that they are competent to do so. In the event that there is a problem, you would be required to prove this, having insurance is also strongly recommended that covers you not only for security work but electrical also.

Further reading Proposed changes to the building regulations in respect of electrical works in dwellings.

Niceic Information on Part P building Regulations.

As far as subbying goes the rates vary from area to area, talk to some of the large nationals and see what they offer, as I am aware they normally have more regular work available than some of the smaller installation companies. Most of them will take you on for a probationary period, subject to satisfactory telephone vetting and the completion of a full vetting process. They will also require you to have public liabillity insurance. Make sure you agree PAYMENT TERMS before you start work, get your invoices in promptly and if they dont stick to the agreed terms, dont take on any further work from them till they pay you.

Colin.