arfur mo Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 Hi ColinMy understanding of the situation is it's to do with the prevention of false alarms - and god knows what other obscure reasons that are buried in the intruder regs. The system should not have all/most of the cards/fobs set to arm/disarm the intruder system, just the chosen few nominated staff - just as you would do with a non integrated system. Also, just presenting a token with 'keyhoder' permission to the door reader should not arm/disarm the intruder system, there should be a seperate primary action. If you didn't have this, how would the A/C system know whether to open the door or arm the panel?? There is also no reason why you can't have a zone in the intruder system for the relevant doors. Disarm the zone, swipe card, enter building, then disarm the rest of the system. Andrew hi Andrew, a mad as it might seem (and imo it is), for 'police response' you must now have a 'simple set device', which ensures the entry door remains secure, this can be either a mortice lock with a micro switch, radio fob, swipe/prox card reader whatever mounted outside (and so operated) of the protected area in conjunction with a maglock or other electrical device. the old days of timed entry/exit have gone apart from 'bells only', if you want confirmed signals allowed on the exit/entry route, so your swipe card system could be primarily used to switch off the alarm system prior to granting entry/access. regs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!!
james.wilson Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 its single point of unset, set can (and its encouraged) still be by code. Unsetting if a 6.4.5 system must be by a single action using P.A.C.E. . But you knew that didnt you arf lol oh and there is 6.4.2, 6.4.3, 6.4.4 and 6.4.6 that are all valid means of unsetting and complying with dd243 securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount.
1_hour_install Posted February 20, 2007 Author Posted February 20, 2007 Andrew, Good feature that you can double badge on your system to disarm intruder alarm. How does your system interface with intruder alarms and which alarms does it interface to? Also great to see a sales rep who actually knows what he is talking about.
Cubit Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 Andrew,Also great to see a sales rep who actually knows what he is talking about. Flattery will get you everywhere.
Richard Huison Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 Bloody great, you do realise his head has only got bigger........................................... www.accesscontrol.ie richard.huison@accesscontrol.ie ACT "Where performance counts" "Is your Access Control system Vista Ready?"
arfur mo Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 its single point of unset, set can (and its encouraged) still be by code. Unsetting if a 6.4.5 system must be by a single action using P.A.C.E. . But you knew that didnt you arf loloh and there is 6.4.2, 6.4.3, 6.4.4 and 6.4.6 that are all valid means of unsetting and complying with dd243 hi James, i'm trying to help ACT get to grips as best i can, we all know i'm not regestered, but lets not do THAT one again , so i don't think it helps anyone to clarify, by quoting sub-paragrapghs from the reg's 'bible' like dot cotton. clever, informed er - or not?. gardtecs earlier 'compliance' panels, came out with ace set needs an ace to unset, there was so much cunfusion caused by personal interpretation of your beloved regs, just like tampers have regs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!!
Cubit Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 hi James,i'm trying to help ACT get to grips as best i can, we all know i'm not regesrtered but lets not do THAT one again , so i don't think it helps anyone to clarify, by quoting sub-paragrapghs from the reg's 'bible' like dot cotton. clever, informed er - or not?. Hi Alan Have i missed a bit here? What bit are we not getting to grips with? I/we only reponded to questions raised regarding interfacing the the two types of system. I certainly know how it's done at our end but i will fully agree with you regarding the sub para's from the regs bible. plain english preferred. Andrew
Richard Huison Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 Perhaps thei topic should be locked, before it gets out of hand? Richard www.accesscontrol.ie richard.huison@accesscontrol.ie ACT "Where performance counts" "Is your Access Control system Vista Ready?"
arfur mo Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 Hi AlanHave i missed a bit here? What bit are we not getting to grips with? I/we only reponded to questions raised regarding interfacing the the two types of system. I certainly know how it's done at our end but i will fully agree with you regarding the sub para's from the regs bible. plain english preferred. Andrew Hi Andrew, i should also have said welcome to you and your company, i wanted to get things on a straigher track, it seemed to me the thread was going a bit off center regarding applications. just so you know i'm not an NSI or SSAIB registered company, so do not actually have to comply or hold the latest copy of the regs. but i try to kep close as i can just incase my systems are taken over for insurrance cover reasons. the discussion got to how or when the the access system worked in unison with a bulding alarm system. i'm sure the higher sophisticated panels could 'talk' on a serial or usb network whatever, but most i have dealt with have a simple dry contact interface. as from my understand the current regs (which you will need to also understand properly) on a alarm that is on police response has proceedures to follow for compliance. the easiest way is an external 'simple set' device which either sets or unset the alarm system but also controls the entry door when the user is outside the building/protected area to prevent false alarms. this is where i see you kit sitting, could be a simple prox/digit keypad, or a full blown system. James sub sections, in a foolish attempt to show me up or bellittle i assume (but hey ho such is the price of my fame or infamy ) refer to all the veriations, but i did not want to state or go through them all here, just set an example for reference. regs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!!
arfur mo Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 Perhaps thei topic should be locked, before it gets out of hand?Richard don't worry Richard, this is just some engineer to engineers banter between 2 waring factions, wait till you see a real bun fight in action one will be along soon you and your collegues alng with Paxton are cordially invited to the TSI Paintball day on the 17 march at milton keynes (just use the search function). should be a real blast regs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!!
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