Newbie Questions - Installing Kit

[Paul_GPvR]

Hi Guys,

I've just spent the past 3 days installing and routing all the cable through my house to all the detectors / door contacts / smoke alarms etc etc.

I've just got a couple of basic questions for you all:-

- The smoke detectors (Texecom Exodus) when these go off when i'm in the house and the alarm isnt active what do they do, do they have there own alarm sounder like tradition smoke detectors??

- Multiple door contacts, is it ok to run say two door contacts from some french door into one zone in the control panel? Does the same apply for panic buttons two?

- I've got a Premier Flush Mount LCD Remote Keypad Proximity Tag keypad, and i've connected the front door contact to zone one on the keypad and the PIR in the hallway to zone two. Now obviously the pir needs power to it so i've just tapped into the 12v and -ve going into the keypad. Is this okay?

I think thats about it for now, i'm sure there will be more questions

Thanks very much for anyhelp whatsoever.

Paul

[kka]

Hi Guys,

I've just spent the past 3 days installing and routing all the cable through my house to all the detectors / door contacts / smoke alarms etc etc.

I've just got a couple of basic questions for you all:-

- The smoke detectors (Texecom Exodus) when these go off when i'm in the house and the alarm isnt active what do they do, do they have there own alarm sounder like tradition smoke detectors??

- Multiple door contacts, is it ok to run say two door contacts from some french door into one zone in the control panel? Does the same apply for panic buttons two?

if you have run one wire to each, then if you have enough spare zones then put them on their own zone, then if you have a fault you will know exactly which device it is. other then that yes it is okay to have two door contacts on one zone providing you wire them in series. same applies to the pa buttons.

- I've got a Premier Flush Mount LCD Remote Keypad Proximity Tag keypad, and i've connected the front door contact to zone one on the keypad and the PIR in the hallway to zone two. Now obviously the pir needs power to it so i've just tapped into the 12v and -ve going into the keypad. Is this okay?

I think thats about it for now, i'm sure there will be more questions

Thanks very much for anyhelp whatsoever.

Paul

as for the rest i will leave to a texecom man as i am not totally familiar with this panel. they will be along shortly

[Paul_GPvR]

as for the rest i will leave to a texecom man as i am not totally familiar with this panel. they will be along shortly

mate.

Can you just give me an example of how you would wire them in series as i havent enough zones left?

Thanks.

[camerabloke]

are you wiring double pole or EOL?

[Paul_GPvR]

are you wiring double pole or EOL?

double pole, there are four wires going into each detection device. The ones that require power have all 6 wires going into it. If thats what you mean?!

I'm learning slowly!

[Adi]

Thats double pole mate.

[arfur mo]

double pole, there are four wires going into each detection device. The ones that require power have all 6 wires going into it. If thats what you mean?!

I'm learning slowly!

Hi Paul_GPvR,

your installation manual should set out example's in diagrams how to wire 2 or more contacts or panic button's in series, as has been said you should not do this for motion sensor's (like pir's).

you are creating 2 loops, one positive loop and one negative loop, so if you feed out on 2 colours you will return on another two, these return wires are connected to the feed of the next contact and so on with the last 'return' which is connected to the control panel

from panel + X--feed yellow -------------------X<----X-white--------X-yellow--------X<----X-white------------X-to panel

from panel - X--feed black-------------------------X-blue------------X-black--------------X-blue----------------X--to panel

(X means connection point)

as for smoke detectors their zones should be programmed as "FIRE", this makes them 'live' even if the alarm is not armed.

regs

alan

[Paul_GPvR]

Hi Paul_GPvR,

your installation manual should set out example's in diagrams how to wire 2 or more contacts or panic button's in series, as has been said you should not do this for motion sensor's (like pir's).

you are creating 2 loops, one positive loop and one negative loop, so if you feed out on 2 colours you will return on another two, these return wires are connected to the feed of the next contact and so on with the last 'return' which is connected to the control panel

from panel + X--feed yellow -------------------X<----X-white--------X-yellow--------X<----X-white------------X-to panel

from panel - X--feed black-------------------------X-blue------------X-black--------------X-blue----------------X--to panel

(X means connection point)

as for smoke detectors their zones should be programmed as "FIRE", this makes them 'live' even if the alarm is not armed.

regs

alan

Hi Alan,

Thanks for that, i think that is what i have already done i'll double check tonight.

So if i program the smoke dectectors like you say, when happens when they are triggered off when the alarm isnt armed? I'm assuming they dont set the bell box off ringing everytime i burn the toast?!! Do they have there own sounder?

regards,

Paul

[arfur mo]

Hi Alan,

Thanks for that, i think that is what i have already done i'll double check tonight.

So if i program the smoke dectectors like you say, when happens when they are triggered off when the alarm isnt armed? I'm assuming they dont set the bell box off ringing everytime i burn the toast?!! Do they have there own sounder?

regards,

Paul

hi paul,

yes they do, signified usually by pulsed sirens.

please beleive i'm not having a go or ranting at you personally here Paul,

i know many do but i'm firmly in the ant-group (possibly the founder member given how old i am ) who strongly do not advise having intruder mixed up with fire alarms in any shape or form. imo they are two different systems, both should have there own dedicated indication and control panels or get a problem with one section/side, both can be out of action - not good at all.

an intruder alarm siren that sounds as you say each time the toast gets fragged, is not only of a great annoyance to the neighbours, it also devalue's your intruder systems response by them, this is your first and so most important line of defense. but false alarms could mean no reaction at all to a real intrussion, or far worse no reaction at all to a real life fire and subsequent tragedy. you understandably not knownig that the intruder sirens are pulsed in fire, underlines that very few people know this fact either, so will assume intruder with a faulty siren, not fire.

i'm not critasing Paul, he has taken on a 'good idea' without the background knowledge, many firms do exactely as he has done, but i just cannot see for the life of me (or my clients) the sense or justification in mixing them. if i were ever on the BSIA inspectorates (que pause big enourmousely big shivver for everyone), i'd ban it outright as my first port of call.

if you feel the need for either system i commend taking action, having taken the prudent and responsible steps, it's best to do so 'properly' in my book, and keep them well apart. a 'halfway mash up' even with 'por kit' based on cost or convenience can cost an awful lot more than money.

following remark addressed to 'afrur-burners unlimited & co'

ok Arfur's off on one again - let's be having you.

MODS - any counter arguments/opinion i'd say keep in the public area, as it's usually them who are affected in this subject.

regs

alan

[james.wilson]

i'm not critasing Paul, he has taken on a 'good idea' without the background knowledge, many firms do exactely as he has done, but i just cannot see for the life of me (or my clients) the sense or justification in mixing them. if i were ever on the BSIA inspectorates (que pause big enourmousely big shivver for everyone), i'd ban it outright as my first port of call.

arf i sincerly hope you never do

how can you say that no smoke detection is better than one on an intruder alarm, or even the normal 9v type, surly a 12v one if far better hes not as good as a 5839 fire alarm (sorry 5839 is a reg). I would not for example in my own house have a 'proper' fire alarm call points and the like but i do have 3 x 12v smoke detectors on it. And that IMO is fine. There are things that i would ban, but this is certainly not one of them!!

Do you say these things cos you beleive them or cos you like lighting touch paper?