Guest Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 an intruder alarm siren that sounds as you say each time the toast gets fragged, is not only of a great annoyance to the neighbours, it also devalue's your intruder systems response by them, this is your first and so most important line of defense. but false alarms could mean no reaction at all to a real intrussion, or far worse no reaction at all to a real life fire and subsequent tragedy. you understandably not knownig that the intruder sirens are pulsed in fire, underlines that very few people know this fact either, so will assume intruder with a faulty siren, not fire. This is why professionals fit decent equipment. Our old 9V battery operated smoke detectors were forever going off, almost daily at one point, due to toast etc.., not being burnt but toasted. Never had a false alarm from the Texecom Exodus units sited in exactly the same locations in the exact some environment. Even if they did false alarm, they are set for internal sirens and comms only so no annoyance to the neighbours. The smoke detectors aren't neccesarily there to warn others, but as a warning for people in the building. Yet again you seem to be waffling on about something to do with fire, a subject on which you have already proved you have no knowledge on.
Paul_GPvR Posted February 20, 2007 Author Posted February 20, 2007 This is why professionals fit decent equipment. Our old 9V battery operated smoke detectors were forever going off, almost daily at one point, due to toast etc.., not being burnt but toasted. Never had a false alarm from the Texecom Exodus units sited in exactly the same locations in the exact some environment. Even if they did false alarm, they are set for internal sirens and comms only so no annoyance to the neighbours.The smoke detectors aren't neccesarily there to warn others, but as a warning for people in the building. Yet again you seem to be waffling on about something to do with fire, a subject on which you have already proved you have no knowledge on. Interesting subject, thanks for all the info. I honestly didnt think the Texecom smoke alarms would trigger the main house bell box when the house alarm isnt even armed, i'm shocked, seems silly in in my basic opinion! What Lurch said sounds good, hopefully they wont be set off by false toast alarms or similar. It seems to me like my best option would be to do as Lurch has done and set them for internal sirens (if i have one??) BUT when the alarm is fully armed it would be ideal for them to sound the main bell box ie when i'm not in the house. hmm is this possible?
arfur mo Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 arf i sincerly hope you never dohow can you say that no smoke detection is better than one on an intruder alarm, or even the normal 9v type, surly a 12v one if far better hes not as good as a 5839 fire alarm (sorry 5839 is a reg). I would not for example in my own house have a 'proper' fire alarm call points and the like but i do have 3 x 12v smoke detectors on it. And that IMO is fine. There are things that i would ban, but this is certainly not one of them!! Do you say these things cos you beleive them or cos you like lighting touch paper? Hi James, yes i do beleive exactely what i said and as i stated, and very fiercely. we are on very passionate ground here as far as i'm concerned. but to tacks, where ever did i ever say or even suggest "no smoke protection is better than one attached to an intruder alarm"? i very clearly said they should not be on an intruder alarm system, but a seperate system with dedicated sounders and indication, along my main reasons why. i find myself again saying to you please read what i actually wrote, not what i did'nt or you thought i did, after all it is in english not russian (or rushing). so having re-read, and by now do you not agree with my sentiments and reasoning? if not try this straw pole test, walk down to any shopping center with an sab, ask any jp, or better a dozen or so, what they think an intruder alarm siren sounding means, then ask what the exact same siren but now intermittent intruder alarm siren sounding means. get closer to home, ask your relatives and freinds over the phone (not those in this trade). where fire is concerend, seconds (and so confussion) costs lives. you don't have to wire your home in FP 200 honest, nor the o/p either as he has not mentioned call points, just smoke detectors and fragged toast causing false alarms, but do you say these will not lower the perception of a real problem due to false activations? both with intruder and worse fire signals? if so words fail me. regs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!!
arfur mo Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 This is why professionals fit decent equipment. Our old 9V battery operated smoke detectors were forever going off, almost daily at one point, due to toast etc.., not being burnt but toasted. Never had a false alarm from the Texecom Exodus units sited in exactly the same locations in the exact some environment. Even if they did false alarm, they are set for internal sirens and comms only so no annoyance to the neighbours.The smoke detectors aren't neccesarily there to warn others, but as a warning for people in the building. Yet again you seem to be waffling on about something to do with fire, a subject on which you have already proved you have no knowledge on. hi Lurch, agreed i don't specialise in fire, but then the o/p or the people who have smokes fitted to intruder by professionals don't either. now i don't care if it's marvels from mars or how wonderful the kit, the proof of my logic is within paul (the o/p's) remark, he had with respect to him no idea an intermittent siren, internal or external would occur on an a smoke activation, and he has a manual for his alarm panel. so it follows if he was in 'your' building as a guest (and not read this forum), he and i bet most others would not have a damn clue if a smoke alert occured signified by pulsing or intermittent intruder alarm sounders, how ever loud, and so not evacuate and possibly get fried, i though smoke/fire alarms was a serious life preserving subjct? now i think that has nothing to do with my alledged lack of expertise in fire alarms, it has everything to do with common sense imo, so it is not in any way waffle by your default yardstick. regs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!!
arfur mo Posted February 20, 2007 Posted February 20, 2007 Fire detection as part of an intruder alarm complies with BS 5839: Part 1. The guys who come up with the fire regs know what they are talking about. If they are happy with it, then so am I. blind allegence to a BS. standard, and using it as a legal defence, would not salve my concience if someone got hurt or killed ignoring a 'mashed together' system intermittent intruder sirens. regs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!!
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