What Alarm To Install In A Garage?

[newguy]

Hi mate

best cheep panel for your needs will be a scantronic 9448+ with on board keyboard, better looking than a veritas, have fitted loads of these in garages, just make sure you fit r/s contacts on up&over, surface on side door & DT not a pir

Thanks for ALL response. regarding other comments, I still believe it should be non-notifiable under IEE part P regs and that in this instance the detached garage does not constitute outdoors. I have raised the query with the locaL BCO for THEIR INTERPRETATION as we all know theirs is the only view that actually matters at the end of the day.

[Guest anguscanplay]

Thanks for ALL response. regarding other comments, I still believe it should be non-notifiable under IEE part P regs and that in this instance the detached garage does not constitute outdoors. I have raised the query with the locaL BCO for THEIR INTERPRETATION as we all know theirs is the only view that actually matters at the end of the day.

er actually newguy they probably know less than the rest of us - find out from the IEE like the rest of us did would be a better route but pray by what argument makes you think it isnt outside ? it was explained to us by our regulator the NSI that outside is anything that is not within the footprint of the original structure ( so an attatched garage wouldnt need to be but a detatched would ) more like your hoping that it isnt or you cant proceed ?

the question about who " qualified " you wasnt a rhetorical one - it may be they have given you a lot more " misquoted " advice

non intended ( yet )

Angus

[arfur mo]

er actually newguy they probably know less than the rest of us - find out from the IEE like the rest of us did would be a better route but pray by what argument makes you think it isnt outside ? it was explained to us by our regulator the NSI that outside is anything that is not within the footprint of the original structure ( so an attatched garage wouldnt need to be but a detatched would ) more like your hoping that it isnt or you cant proceed ?

the question about who " qualified " you wasnt a rhetorical one - it may be they have given you a lot more " misquoted " advice

non intended ( yet )

Angus

hi Angus,

just to throw a minor spanner in the NSI works (you know me lol! ), if the garage was built at the same time as the main house, it would then likely to be under the original planning permission. and if so would be part of the 'original footprint of the build'. according to 'your NSI' interpretation also not then considered for part 'P' surely?.

anyway, best way is go radio, upgrade the panel to a Gardtec G595 with vo-com built-in, and as you have the g-receiver buy a 4 button fob and program for part set 2 to set garage alone. fast simple and effective.

if the client's a cheapskate and won't go for it, get another client imo.

regs

alan

[alterEGO]

hi Angus,

just to throw a minor spanner in the NSI works (you know me lol! ), if the garage was built at the same time as the main house, it would then likely to be under the original planning permission. and if so would be part of the 'original footprint of the build'. according to 'your NSI' interpretation also not then considered for part 'P' surely?.

anyway, best way is go radio, upgrade the panel to a Gardtec G595 with vo-com built-in, and as you have the g-receiver buy a 4 button fob and program for part set 2 to set garage alone. fast simple and effective.

if the client's a cheapskate and won't go for it, get another client imo.

regs

alan

or just fit a nova reciver to the existing system for wireless detectors, if there are spare zones.

[Guest anguscanplay]

hi Angus,

just to throw a minor spanner in the NSI works (you know me lol! ), if the garage was built at the same time as the main house, it would then likely to be under the original planning permission. and if so would be part of the 'original footprint of the build'. according to 'your NSI' interpretation also not then considered for part 'P' surely?.

anyway, best way is go radio, upgrade the panel to a Gardtec G595 with vo-com built-in, and as you have the g-receiver buy a 4 button fob and program for part set 2 to set garage alone. fast simple and effective.

if the client's a cheapskate and won't go for it, get another client imo.

regs

alan

okay i`ll clarify " within the structure foot print " point been that even if the garage had been built with the house ,in a misguided effort to clean up the frankly scary electrical installations in the uk anything outside the walls needs to be part p certified

[avcctv]

okay i`ll clarify " within the structure foot print " point been that even if the garage had been built with the house ,in a misguided effort to clean up the frankly scary electrical installations in the uk anything outside the walls needs to be part p certified

Your right the garage comes under Part P regs. Although the alarm itself would not come under it being 12vdc, any electrical work carried out must comply with P regs.

I've just complted the course and have this on good authority.

[Guest anguscanplay]

Your right the garage comes under Part P regs. Although the alarm itself would not come under it being 12vdc, any electrical work carried out must comply with P regs.

I've just complted the course and have this on good authority.

thanks for that

it really is that simple - if the cable leaves the fabric of the primary dwelling and doesnt terminate immediatly in a device fixed to the aformentioned fabric then its classed as outside and therfore within the requirments of Part P the fact in this case its got a roof and four walls round it is irrelevant

so back to our question - who " qualified " you - then we can give the correct advise - no ?

Angus

[newguy]

thanks for that

it really is that simple - if the cable leaves the fabric of the primary dwelling and doesnt terminate immediatly in a device fixed to the aformentioned fabric then its classed as outside and therfore within the requirments of Part P the fact in this case its got a roof and four walls round it is irrelevant

so back to our question - who " qualified " you - then we can give the correct advise - no ?

Angus

Hi guys,

Thanks again for all the advice to date. To address the two main themes here:

1. Qualification was City & Guilds 1852 Syllabus run by Preston College, Tutor being a practicing installer with 20 years experience and full electrician background.

2. Local Building Control Officer has confirmed:

'that the proposed works to the garage are not notifiable under Approved Document P of the Building Regulations 2000.

Detached garages and sheds are not, as you have identified, special locations. Work to them need not be notified to Building Contol where the works consist of adding socket-outlets and fused spurs to an existing ring or radial circuit.'

My understanding was the Part P of building regs allows for additions of unswitched fused spur and subsequent 12V DC alarm installation as garage in on existing ring SOURCED by main dwelling (i.e. within a footprint). It appears allowable to procede! Welcome any further observations here.

Thanx

[Guest anguscanplay]

Hi guys,

Thanks again for all the advice to date. To address the two main themes here:

1. Qualification was City & Guilds 1852 Syllabus run by Preston College, Tutor being a practicing installer with 20 years experience and full electrician background.

2. Local Building Control Officer has confirmed:

'that the proposed works to the garage are not notifiable under Approved Document P of the Building Regulations 2000.

Detached garages and sheds are not, as you have identified, special locations. Work to them need not be notified to Building Contol where the works consist of adding socket-outlets and fused spurs to an existing ring or radial circuit.'

My understanding was the Part P of building regs allows for additions of unswitched fused spur and subsequent 12V DC alarm installation as garage in on existing ring SOURCED by main dwelling (i.e. within a footprint). It appears allowable to procede! Welcome any further observations here.

Thanx

sorry newguy but your going to have to prove it as my BCO said exactly the opposite when i met him today

[arfur mo]

hi all,

i wonder if we do not digress to far to much here?

albeit with the best intentions but in another thread an o/p asked what vans do we recommend? should we jump in and say it needs commercial insurance, a drivers license road fund license blah blah before we suggest a make and model?

i think it's enough to say they need to consider if part 'p' is relevant and to take proper advice advice based on a site visit, but then lets get on and address the question originally asked perhaps?

i'm not advocating ignoring the legalities, just the o/p is an adult and so old enough to check this out for themselves, we are mainly security engineers not moral guardians, so lets leave the church deal with that aspect

regs

alan