DaveSussman Posted July 21, 2007 Posted July 21, 2007 Hi I'm planning on self installing a Texecom Premier 48 panel, which I'll get my brother to check (not an installer, but has many years in the fire/security industry). The panel will go in the loft, with keypads on the hall and garage. As I'm gradually redcorating the entire house, I'm cabling, so the first question is, do I need 8 core cable for the keypads, or will 6 core suffice? It seemed sensible to ask before I put the coving up 8) After reading through some of the forum, I'm probably going to get a free quote and some advice on PIR placement, but thought I'd ask a couple of things here. Presumably, I wouldn't be able to put a PIR in the hall, as post and/or paper delivery would set it off? I'll obviously have an MRS on the front door, but there is a toilet next to the front door, so if there's no PIR in the hall, I'll obviously need one in the toilet. I've also a large sliding door out onto the patio and was wondering about the best method for protecting this. At first I thought of an MRS, but I'm now wondering whether shock/glass detectors might be a better idea (or addition). The opening is 6ft wide, split into a static panel and a sliding panel. Lastly, a question about monitoring; not by external companies (I'm rural, so in many respects monitoring is pointless and no one would be able to get to the property before an intruder could have escaped), but monitoring via a web interface. I'm not clear on whether this is possible with the Texecom panel (I'd use the ComIP). I go away often, so I'd like the ability to see the live status of the panel; I'd obviously use some form of dialer to notify me of an alarm situation, but it would be nice to see more details. I'm planning on some IP cameras too (separate from the alarm panel; I'm not looking for intergration). Right, enought rambling Dave PS. Damn fine site and forum. Learnt a lot.
Guest Dave the alarm man Posted July 21, 2007 Posted July 21, 2007 The panel will go in the loft, no! do I need 8 core cable for the keypads, or will 6 core suffice? well 4 core will do the job! After reading through some of the forum, I'm probably going to get a free quote and some advice on PIR placement, as in pick someones brains before DIYing? Presumably, I wouldn't be able to put a PIR in the hall, as post and/or paper delivery would set it off? I'll obviously have an MRS on the front door, but there is a toilet next to the front door, so if there's no PIR in the hall, I'll obviously need one in the toilet. depends dunny got a window? I've also a large sliding door out onto the patio and was wondering about the best method for protecting this. At first I thought of an MRS, but I'm now wondering whether shock/glass detectors might be a better idea (or addition). The opening is 6ft wide, split into a static panel and a sliding panel. both? Lastly, a question about monitoring; not by external companies (I'm rural, so in many respects monitoring is pointless and no one would be able to get to the property before an intruder could have escaped), right assuming your their 24/7 don't see why not I go away often, okay I'd obviously use some form of dialer to notify me of an alarm situation, great what you going to do about? might be daft question but you do know that ringing the police on the tripple 9 & telling 'em your alarms rung you up ain't going to get them round there!
BASS Posted July 21, 2007 Posted July 21, 2007 HiI'm planning on self installing a Texecom Premier 48 panel, which I'll get my brother to check (not an installer, but has many years in the fire/security industry). The panel will go in the loft, with keypads on the hall and garage. As I'm gradually redcorating the entire house, I'm cabling, so the first question is, do I need 8 core cable for the keypads, or will 6 core suffice? It seemed sensible to ask before I put the coving up 8) After reading through some of the forum, I'm probably going to get a free quote and some advice on PIR placement, but thought I'd ask a couple of things here. Presumably, I wouldn't be able to put a PIR in the hall, as post and/or paper delivery would set it off? I'll obviously have an MRS on the front door, but there is a toilet next to the front door, so if there's no PIR in the hall, I'll obviously need one in the toilet. I've also a large sliding door out onto the patio and was wondering about the best method for protecting this. At first I thought of an MRS, but I'm now wondering whether shock/glass detectors might be a better idea (or addition). The opening is 6ft wide, split into a static panel and a sliding panel. Lastly, a question about monitoring; not by external companies (I'm rural, so in many respects monitoring is pointless and no one would be able to get to the property before an intruder could have escaped), but monitoring via a web interface. I'm not clear on whether this is possible with the Texecom panel (I'd use the ComIP). I go away often, so I'd like the ability to see the live status of the panel; I'd obviously use some form of dialer to notify me of an alarm situation, but it would be nice to see more details. I'm planning on some IP cameras too (separate from the alarm panel; I'm not looking for intergration). Right, enought rambling Dave PS. Damn fine site and forum. Learnt a lot. you could put a dualtec in hall but face it on the front door side so its not looking at letter box or you could put a viper on the toilet window. The keypad only needs 4 cores 2 for power and 2 for data
barooga Posted July 21, 2007 Posted July 21, 2007 HiI'm planning on self installing a Texecom Premier 48 panel, which I'll get my brother to check (not an installer, but has many years in the fire/security industry). The panel will go in the loft, with keypads on the hall and garage. After reading through some of the forum, I'm probably going to get a free quote and some advice on PIR placement, but thought I'd ask a couple of things here. Excuse my cynicsm but!!! You want to do the job yourself and will get it checked afterwards by your brother who is not an installer but knows the industry?? To give you peace of mind you want a Free Quote?? Just who exactly is going to give you this free quote?? A local installer - who will give up his/her time to give you relevant advice and recommendations based on your requirements only for you to say 'thanks for that, now i can crack on with it myself'??? No doubt some on here will defend you but i fail to see why they should. Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional
DaveSussman Posted July 21, 2007 Author Posted July 21, 2007 no!well 4 core will do the job! as in pick someones brains before DIYing? depends dunny got a window? both? right assuming your their 24/7 don't see why not okay great what you going to do about? might be daft question but you do know that ringing the police on the tripple 9 & telling 'em your alarms rung you up ain't going to get them round there! Why not put the panel in the loft? Isn't that the best place, rather than visible and open to attacks? Yes, dunny has a window, so some form of sensor would be required. I agree about the police and the alarm going off, but the reasoning is that at least I can ring someone local and say "check on my house". The neighbours (I'm not that rural) would (hopefully) check at alarm time, but friends could check up in the evening and take any necessary action, such as fixing broken windows etc.
DaveSussman Posted July 21, 2007 Author Posted July 21, 2007 Excuse my cynicsm but!!!You want to do the job yourself and will get it checked afterwards by your brother who is not an installer but knows the industry?? To give you peace of mind you want a Free Quote?? Just who exactly is going to give you this free quote?? A local installer - who will give up his/her time to give you relevant advice and recommendations based on your requirements only for you to say 'thanks for that, now i can crack on with it myself'??? No doubt some on here will defend you but i fail to see why they should. You're right to be cynical and I'm not actually trying to freeload off others, but I have actually had a company offer just that. I rang them to enquire about purchasing the equipment, saying I was wiring and going to install it myself. They said "we'll happily come round and offer advice on PIR placement". They offered, I didn't even ask. I was as surprised as you.
alterEGO Posted July 21, 2007 Posted July 21, 2007 Why not put the panel in the loft? Isn't that the best place, rather than visible and open to attacks?Yes, dunny has a window, so some form of sensor would be required. I agree about the police and the alarm going off, but the reasoning is that at least I can ring someone local and say "check on my house". The neighbours (I'm not that rural) would (hopefully) check at alarm time, but friends could check up in the evening and take any necessary action, such as fixing broken windows etc. the reason for the no loft comment is everyone in the job hates getting in a loft on service. also imo to exposed to the elements. do you have an airing cupboard on the landing, or a meter cupboard ect. any ofthese would be a much better choice. as your out in the sticks we would always quote you for shock sensors on the windows as if you use PIRs they have lots of time to grab stuff. if the alarm goes off before they have even forced entry they are much more likly to clear off, and never end up entering your property.
alterEGO Posted July 21, 2007 Posted July 21, 2007 You're right to be cynical and I'm not actually trying to freeload off others, but I have actually had a company offer just that. I rang them to enquire about purchasing the equipment, saying I was wiring and going to install it myself. They said "we'll happily come round and offer advice on PIR placement". They offered, I didn't even ask. I was as surprised as you. the first rule of sales 'never miss a foot in the door'
Guest Dave the alarm man Posted July 21, 2007 Posted July 21, 2007 Why not put the panel in the loft? Isn't that the best place, rather than visible and open to attacks? not normally with in the protected premises & subject to extreme temperatures, not that its a proper job but if it was every 12 - 6 a man going to open & test / inspect it Yes, dunny has a window, so some form of sensor would be required. external window or internal door cmc? I can ring someone local and say "check on my house". Hi dave its dave, I've just popped round your house & yes you have been broken into.... two kids 'ave kicked 7 shades out of me & nicked my car............ thanks mate They said "we'll happily come round and offer advice on PIR placement". odd They offered, I didn't even ask. I was as surprised as you. dave I think you've pulled, good looking bloke was it
DaveSussman Posted July 21, 2007 Author Posted July 21, 2007 not normally with in the protected premises & subject to extreme temperatures, not that its a proper job but if it was every 12 - 6 a man going to open & test / inspect it I think you've hit it on the head by saying "not a proper job". I realise that and I understand the attitude of professionals like yourself dealing with twits like me who want to do it themselves 8) The loft has easy access, is boarded and lit and is easy to wire to, hence the choice for the panel. It works for me. Hi dave its dave, I've just popped round your house & yes you have been broken into.... two kids 'ave kicked 7 shades out of me & nicked my car............ thanks mate I see your point. My neighbours would ring the police if they saw something untoward, but wouldn't get involved; we've had breakins around here before and the polive have told us exactly what to do and what not to do. But at least I could ask a friend to nip around in daylight and do a quick recce. dave I think you've pulled, good looking bloke was it Sadly it's the best offer I've had in a while 8)
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