Id System, Which To Choose.

[alterEGO]

i have a KINGS system to takeover, been powered down for atleast 12 months.

opened it up to find a horrid ID system. its a menvier panel.

reason for swap out is the rkp is smashed to hell and thought i might aswell get rid of the controls and swap for the usual ones i have on service.

i know they are a decent bit of kit and was tempted to just get a new rkp and try a re-boot but would prefer to have my choice, as it has been empty for a while there are issues there aswell.

Ok so my question is has anyone used the ID thingamajig with the GT816? i do have a couple of karizmas in stock but would rather stick an 816 in.

opinions please fellas

[BUSTER]

Is it the old iD biscuits or the new ones ?

[IPAlarms]

opinions please fellas

Do yourself a favour and don't tackle them darn biscuits unless you are really familier with them. Think about if you ever have to send one of your less experienced engineers back to site at a later date. That's my opinion

[alterEGO]

Do yourself a favour and don't tackle them darn biscuits unless you are really familier with them. Think about if you ever have to send one of your less experienced engineers back to site at a later date. That's my opinion

i have taken over about 5 id systems, got a little idea how it works. added 6 sensors to the last takeover, all went in easy.

Is it the old iD biscuits or the new ones ?

havn't looked, nor used that many so?? it was fitted in 2003 i think if that helps.

[antinode]

I would rip it out mate and replace with a normal EOL panel, unless they have run the ID loop as a radial to each detector in turn. There can't be more than 30 devices on the system. If you get a short on the line or damp in a contact/JB etc, you could spend hours looking for the fault with most of the system off line until it's sorted. The Menvier panel is OK for what it is. I've worked on a few and they are no bother, but ID is **** technology whatever the panel IMO.

[alterEGO]

I would rip it out mate and replace with a normal EOL panel, unless they have run the ID loop as a radial to each detector in turn. There can't be more than 30 devices on the system. If you get a short on the line or damp in a contact/JB etc, you could spend hours looking for the fault with most of the system off line until it's sorted. The Menvier panel is OK for what it is. I've worked on a few and they are no bother, but ID is **** technology whatever the panel IMO.

agreed, but radial.

and of course they don't want a re-wire.

and the install, well not great should i say. as for paper work or zones, lol i'll be lucky.

[Guest anguscanplay]

use radio instead ?

[alterEGO]

use radio instead ?

no, its horrid, i only sell it to idiots

no joking aside, i cant its a large MOT centre/garage in an old church building, DT's needed.

[arfur mo]

oh dear,

this is a very polarizing argument, you either really love iD's (like what i do) or you really don't (like many).

The 816 is now a dead panel, and any left are unlikely to fully comply with latest acpo (if needed), the G593, G595 & G872 all accept the iD expansion boards, but you have to have all old or all new biscuits not a mixture on them.

while agreed the worst fault to fix on any iD system, imo is an intermittent short, say caused by a nail or wire staple. earths due to damp ingress can usually be tracked just as easily as any other technology, and being a 'common buss' if a door contact is opened while your testing it won't isolate the earth short from your meter.

i find iD tends to be far more resiliant than EOL to this kind of fault, but then if your careful with your installs it should not happen in the 1st place .

the beauty of any iD system is it's easy expansion, and also if a tamper occurs due to a cable break you know by deduction the from the 'missing' devices roughly where its likely to be damaged. try this against an EOL zone, a tamper could be the lid contact or anywhere on the cable between the device and the panel or expander, i know which i can trace quicker.

regs

alan

[BUSTER]

I've fitted lots of iD systems without any great problems, is it a TS690id ?. If there isn't too many zones i'd replace the biscuits with the id+ units and the panel with either a Menvier M800id or a Castle Euro 1