chrisogden44 Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 I recently had to upgrade my alarm panel because the old one died on me. I replaced the old Menvier TS400 with a new Ade Optima Compact Gen4. At the same time I also added another sounder (Pyronix Belle) to the CQR Sentra sounder I already had. The install went well and everything tested ok with just the Sentra attached or, with just the Belle attached. When I attached both I couldn't get the sounder to work on the Belle although the strobe worked ok. The Sentra still worked perfectly. I should say that I used to be a qualified Engineering Manager before I retired - mainly mechanical but I did have a working knowledge of electrics. These are the terminal markings (ignoring the strobe): Optima Panel terminals: T -ve tamper return A -ve supply 0v D +ve supply 12v B -ve sounder trigger Belle terminals: BT Tamper return B- Hold off -ve supply B+ Hold off +ve supply BA Bell trigger TF Tamper feed Sentra Terminals: 1 Siren trigger 2 Hold off -ve supply 3 Hold off +ve supply 4 A/T Return sig. These are the connections I used (ignoring the strobe). Panel A to Sentra Hold off -ve Panel D to Sentra Hold off +ve and Belle B+ Panel B to Sentra Siren trigger and Belle BA Panel T to Belle BT Sentra A/T Return SIg. to Belle B- Belle TF to Belle B- (Link as stated in the Belle manual) Sentra A/T to Sentra Hold off -ve (Link as stated in the Optima manual, but I am not too sure if I interpreted this correctly) Both sounders are configured to be SAB's. Can anyone tell me why I can't get the Belle sounder to operate please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kka Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 not sure about mis matching bells, but does one not need to be in 'scb mode' Kevin Scott. Owner of KK Alarms...... Installation .. Service .. Repair ...... Thoughout.. Northumberland and North Tyneside ..... Tel:01670 361948 (call diverted after 15 seconds) or 07947444114 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfur mo Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 tbh this is way and above the remit of the diy installers section, information required is to far to 'exotic' is needed and we can't be sure you would understand it with all respects due, could leave you without an effective system which means egg on our faces, and a possible law suit should the worst happen if you want to retain both bells get an engineer to scratch his head for you, while you make the tea and supply the choccy biscuits it is really the best idea but get a quote before engaging one. regs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alarm Protection Posted October 16, 2007 Share Posted October 16, 2007 For a good job get both bells the same on front/back of house. There is no point of a mix bells. this could cause problems in the future. ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfur mo Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 For a good job get both bells the same on front/back of house. There is no point of a mix bells. this could cause problems in the future. qfa, and quoting why could be another 'arfur novel' so decided to go the easier route regs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dave the alarm man Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 The Sentra still worked perfectly. well thats a 1st, at one time it needed stuff chopping off the pcb to get more than one sentra to work in "series" 2x sounders with strobes will draw 8-900mA, & thats before you confess to the internal speaker (s) & 10 pirs nailed on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest anguscanplay Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 well thats a 1st, at one time it needed stuff chopping off the pcb to get more than one sentra to work in "series"2x sounders with strobes will draw 8-900mA, & thats before you confess to the internal speaker (s) & 10 pirs nailed on it just how big a strobe do you fit Dave ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morgan306 Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 If one of the bells has an SCB function, select that. It just means the bell with SCB selected draws its current from the onboard bell battery instead of from the control panel when it's triggered. Chances are, both bells and strobes,plus speakers/detectors etc are potentially drawing too much current from your panel. Hope that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dave the alarm man Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 just how big a strobe do you fit Dave ? sounder 300mA strobe 110mA x 2 of 'em = 820mA nova 6 391mA + 72mA strobe x 2 = 924mA or low current mode 542mA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisogden44 Posted October 22, 2007 Author Share Posted October 22, 2007 I managed to sort the wiring out myself the following day, It wasn't a problem once I decided to ditch the Engineer manual and work it out myself. Thanks to those who posted helpful comments, as for afur mo , or whatever your name is, your reply probably put off people posting helpful information. Why have a DIY forum if you are not prepared to help DIYers? other than maybe telling them how to perform the basic of tasks? I would have thought it was obvious from my post that I am not a novice when it comes to electrics and wiring having worked in an Engineering department for 40 years. Anyway, as I say I have sorted it myself so I can now take your advice about tea and choccy biscuits, only it will be me having them and not an "Engineer" So "Regs" to you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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