Scantronic 9853 Panel Wiring Four-wire Ccl... Help...

[AlarmingRich]

Hi, I'm new here and been out of the installing game for some time... I'm just re-wiring a 9853 panel for myself and thought I would remember more than I did!

I am wiring it four-wire CCL with individual tampers... but a little confused what goes where!

PIR: using a Pyronix KX15DTAM 3-in-1... with 2 switch and 2 tamper wires going to panel...

Maximal SC513 grade 3 surface contact... with 3 wires Switch/Red Tamper/Blue and Common/Black.

I remember that on a CCL system you can only have 8 zones so I presume I use 1 and 2 zones on the panel as Zone 1 and so on...

however what wires go where on the panel for PIR and for the Contacts... Sunday morning mental block...

Thanks in advance.

Rich.

[AlarmingRich]

OK... Getting a little further but still a little unsure, please advise:

I have wired back my PIR's with four wires...

+ = Red

- = Black

EOL Mask/Fault = White

EOL Tamper = Blue

I'm using the Grade 3 Configuration and jumpering on the PIR to use Mask/Fault Link and utalizing the onboard resistor jumpers for all the PIR's.

For the Surface contacts:

I have wired back 3 wires...

Switch = Red

Tamper = Blue

Common = Black.

I'm just unsure where to terminate these wires in the panel and if I need to add any resistors in the panel etc... I think this will work out to be an EOL connection.

Please help... I'm scratching my head and don't want to ruin any of my kit.

[AlarmingRich]

Anyone.....

[antinode]

Have your contacts got the 2k2/4k7 resistors built in? If so, you can't wire them 4 wire CC. It's easier to wire 2 wire FSL. Then you can utilise the built in resistors in your dual techs. I would also ditch the antimasking, more trouble than it's worth in my opinion.

[AlarmingRich]

Hi, yes they do have the built in 4k7/2k2 resistors built in... but only the 3 wires... ok so I'll ditch the 4 wire system and will take your advise on the anti masking... so what goes where... on the panel... thanks Rich

[antinode]

With regards to the contacts, it's easy to work out with a multimeter. You only connect two of the wires, off the top of my head it's red and black, but as I said, check them with a meter before you fit them. All your detectors wire into the terminals in the middle left hand side of the board marked 1-16. The 12v for powered detectors is taken from the terminals at the bottom left hand side of the board. The manual explains everyting pretty well, you shouldn't have any problems if you read it carefully.

[arfur mo]

got to ask why Grade 3?

if you really feel you need that sort of protection level, then you will also need insurance cover, so you will also need an ARC, so will also need Police Response, so will also need an NSI or SSAIB company to maintain it (regardless of your skill level), so imo best to go grade 2 and use the K.I.S.S. method.

overcomplexity often only results in exasperation and for very little (if any) true reward, it's not like your going to display a 'G3 system badge so intruders keep out or else' is it? so only you will know it's G3 and tbbh even at your dinner party no one else will be impressed

regs

alan

[Guest anguscanplay]

It can only be grade 1, but theres no harm in fitting gear rated at a higher grade

[AlarmingRich]

Thanks to all... yes it is going to be monitored and maintained... but the deal has been done so it is installed and setup before they come to commision it.... however I do understand what you're saying!

I am going for the 2 wire FSL route with PIR and Surface Contacts...

So I am using the intergrated resistors and have currently wired:

PIR's

+ = Red

- = Black

EOL Mask/Fault = White

EOL Tamper = Blue

Surface contacts:

Switch = Red

Tamper = Blue

Common = Black.

Where do I terminate these in the panel...

+ and - power from Aux... no problem, it's just the rest of them????

[topalarms]

If its going to be monitored I would think a good idea would be to get the company in early to wire the components it could save a lot of problems later. You are clearly totally in the dark!