Guest anguscanplay Posted December 3, 2007 Posted December 3, 2007 welcome to the forum sats old boy - knew you had a sense of humour
satsuma01 Posted December 3, 2007 Posted December 3, 2007 welcome to the forum sats old boy - knew you had a sense of humour thankyou how system q B) "If you carry your childhood with you, you never become old. Why rush to end life when happiness is in the blissfulness of childhood innocence.""We all die, the goal isn't to live forever, the goal is to create something that will." 07475071344
arfur mo Posted December 3, 2007 Posted December 3, 2007 Everywhere else uses PIRs, this is the back upstairs window. I've got tenants starting Monday, so need to get this fixed. I can connect all the wires to the same colour at the junction box; what I need to know is whether there are two wires (from the detector connections I noted above) that need to be joined - I'm pretty sure the linked terminal was used before I unwired it. given the urgency and its part of your tenancy agreement, imo you need to bite the bullet and call an engineer to wire it properly and service the system. any advice given on kit unseen could be misleading or worse plain wrong. if they are burgled via this window, and nothing happens somebody will have to pay and who needs a liability action to defend?. regs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!!
amateurandy Posted December 3, 2007 Posted December 3, 2007 you`ll get one if you carry on LOL - it` a viper type device, red and black should be power (test em at the joint box with a test meter) then it`s a case of shorting different colors out till you get a clear signal at the panel - work it all out from there by elimination, chances are either the tamper or the circuit were disconnected Angus I'm trying to apply some simple electrical circuit logic to this. Surely the "viper" needs 6 wires if it's "done properly", 2 each for power, alarm and tamper. All kept separate! Now, if the device had its own zone (who knows?) then the only pair that could have been fiddled with is tamper or it just wouldn't work at all. Which of course would make the tamper not work properly, mind you does the OP know if it did work beforehand? NOW is the junction box just a cable join or is it feeding more than one device, in which case it could be feeding multiple power connections (+12v or 0v) and the tamper would loop in and out, assuming it's a global tamper (likely on that panel?). So with 2 devices the tamper would need 3 terminals! I think to get an answer the OP needs to tell us a bit more about what is connected to the junction box - maybe a diagram? Or, as suggested, get an engineer in as sharing a terminal means something was wrong in the first place...
noopin Posted December 3, 2007 Author Posted December 3, 2007 A viper type device? Now I'm alarmed - wish the house was. Remember: these are the connections to the detector - Red 12v Black 0v Green/Yellow Tamper White/Blue Alarm Red/Black definitely is power. Simply, do either of the other two pairs need to be joined between detector and panel? Sorry to sound slow on the uptake, but I'm only a simple soul.
amateurandy Posted December 3, 2007 Posted December 3, 2007 A viper type device? A term meaning a shock sensor on a window frame - is that what it is? And yes, all 6 wires should be linked through separately if it was done properly in the first place.
Guest anguscanplay Posted December 3, 2007 Posted December 3, 2007 I simply didn't notice, when disconnecting, that the middle two terminals were linked - so it never occurred to me that there might be a problem later.Right, I've had a look in the detector - Red 12v Black 0v Green/Yellow Tamper White/Blue Alarm Of course, it's just possible that the linked terminal in the junction box wasn't used for more than one wire, there is another single terminal spare. Angus I'm trying to apply some simple electrical circuit logic to this. Surely the "viper" needs 6 wires if it's "done properly", 2 each for power, alarm and tamper. All kept separate!Now, if the device had its own zone (who knows?) then the only pair that could have been fiddled with is tamper or it just wouldn't work at all. Which of course would make the tamper not work properly, mind you does the OP know if it did work beforehand? NOW is the junction box just a cable join or is it feeding more than one device, in which case it could be feeding multiple power connections (+12v or 0v) and the tamper would loop in and out, assuming it's a global tamper (likely on that panel?). So with 2 devices the tamper would need 3 terminals! I think to get an answer the OP needs to tell us a bit more about what is connected to the junction box - maybe a diagram? Or, as suggested, get an engineer in as sharing a terminal means somethiong was wrong in the first place... nope it`s a viper type detector 12v and 0v terminals see - as I said chances are the tamper switch was shorted out (maybe even the alarm pair cause we all know how problematic viper type detectors are) often we`ll use one side of the connection terminals to hold em - its easy to do just meter out the power then the rest will follow
satsuma01 Posted December 3, 2007 Posted December 3, 2007 A viper type device? Now I'm alarmed - wish the house was.Remember: these are the connections to the detector - Red 12v Black 0v Green/Yellow Tamper White/Blue Alarm Red/Black definitely is power. Simply, do either of the other two pairs need to be joined between detector and panel? Sorry to sound slow on the uptake, but I'm only a simple soul. does the sensor/device look like this : ......................http://www.screwfix.com/sfd/i/cat/01/p4111501_l.jpg "If you carry your childhood with you, you never become old. Why rush to end life when happiness is in the blissfulness of childhood innocence.""We all die, the goal isn't to live forever, the goal is to create something that will." 07475071344
noopin Posted December 3, 2007 Author Posted December 3, 2007 It is a zone on its own and the junction is simply a cable connector. All was working before I disconnected it and will work if I omit the zone. The connections to the device are as described above, it's just the "cable join" where I think that two different coloured wires (obviously not the power) were joined through a common pair of terminals. The device inside says DA Systems (DAD1002) and has a central LED.
Guest anguscanplay Posted December 3, 2007 Posted December 3, 2007 It is a zone on its own and the junction is simply a cable connector. All was working before I disconnected it and will work if I omit the zone. The connections to the device are as described above, it's just the "cable join" where I think that two different coloured wires (obviously not the power) were joined through a common pair of terminals. The device inside says DA Systems (DAD1002) and has a central LED. right listen - tape the power pair out of harms way, put the panel on walk test, short out blue and yellow then green and white - if that zone shows clear then unshort one pair your looking for the ones that trigger the panel, they go into cct the others go into tamper or leave em shorted out
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