arfur mo Posted January 4, 2008 Posted January 4, 2008 1) with whipping a leg out of double poled circuit you could often see that high resistance where coming & show the cleint before it fasle alarmed or ripped the circuit apart, worked for me now downside can you trust every member of staff to take 'em out with out breaking the termial or leaving 'em loose absolutely right, saved so many arguments, or client not trusting you when you the 12th guy to attend, and another new face who has yet to fix it. your invaluable 1st job is to regain the clients confidence, 2nd job is to say "well, no or 2 sugars please" then you fix the alarm joking aside the 'crashers' were the gizmo to have, it gave an audible indication to the client when you found the troublesome 'rot', nothing beat one for restoring their faith in the service dept, and so handy testing circuits locally. i keep threatening to design a new one that copes with the modern and differing eols and bridge resistors, but tbh having so rarely needed one in recent times i can't get up enough enthusiasm to do it. if there was interest amongst the forums members i might think again, perhaps i should run a vote to gauge the interest? regs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!!
Guest anguscanplay Posted January 4, 2008 Posted January 4, 2008 Hmm, 30 service calls a week for twenty years and once, thats once yep only ONCE did I find a high resistance and prevent a false alarm with that and the adoption of EOL (so unless your going to diss the 60 odd curcuits at the device too) theres no point in "altering " the curcuit IMO plus I`m spoiled in the Arfur mo sense - I did or commisioned all the installs myself LOL
arfur mo Posted January 4, 2008 Posted January 4, 2008 plus I`m spoiled in the Arfur mo sense - I did or commisioned all the installs myself LOL it's true, we are doubles as in ying and yang yup definitely has to be ying and yang - or maybe is it dong and ding ? regs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!!
Tel Posted January 5, 2008 Posted January 5, 2008 Hmm, 30 service calls a week for twenty years and once, thats once yep only ONCE did I find a high resistance and prevent a false alarm well less systems over less yrs, a couple a quarter at the very most? normally shutter contacts or pir's that are getting on a bit, or mice
arfur mo Posted January 5, 2008 Posted January 5, 2008 well less systems over less yrs, a couple a quarter at the very most?normally shutter contacts or pir's that are getting on a bit, or mice i should advise her Angus, when doing the resistance tests the device/door contact should be operated several times to check for consistent readings, any changes indicate a cracked reed duff relay springs etc. when installing i test the tamper contact is well adjusted, also i pull on each lead after connecting to test it is held secure as i'm sure most decent engineers do, but i just can't trust everyone to be so diligent. i know you rely on sub-contractors and i just know in your shoes no matter how much i respected them i could not do a pm without rechecking everything on the 1st visit's is exactly how i would do it, sort of like you do with trainee's or apprentices. this is simply because (as i have proved to my cost in the past) the one you don't check proves the one you ruddy well should have i'm not bashing anyone here and i'm sure i'm not alone in this vexing attitude, but it's the route issue's (or the fear of it if you like) which is at the seat of why i don't want to expand to be any bigger, or being forced to the point where i have to trust in others (as would definitely be needed if joining any inspectorates). i know myself as way too fastidious (ok paranoid), so even if i ever engaged the proven beyond all doubt best pooper scooper engineer on this forum, i'd still have to rip all the work apart after it was completed as if it was suffering tragic levels of false alarms, well before i could relax and sleep soundly. i'm most likely the craziest old git anyone has ver met, but i'm also the happiest crazy old git anyone has ever met regs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!!
Guest anguscanplay Posted January 5, 2008 Posted January 5, 2008 i should advise her Angus, when doing the resistance tests the device/door contact should be operated several times to check for consistent readings, any changes indicate a cracked reed duff relay springs etc. we do when installing i test the tamper contact is well adjusted, also i pull on each lead after connecting to test it is held secure as i'm sure most decent engineers do, but i just can't trust everyone to be so diligent. and that i know you rely on sub-contractors and i just know in your shoes no matter how much i respected them i could not do a pm without rechecking everything on the 1st visit's is exactly how i would do it, sort of like you do with trainee's or apprentices. this is simply because (as i have proved to my cost in the past) the one you don't check proves the one you ruddy well should have er we do that too (within seven days of it been fitted) as I have to commision it as part of the certification i'm not bashing anyone here and i'm sure i'm not alone in this vexing attitude, but it's the route issue's (or the fear of it if you like) which is at the seat of why i don't want to expand to be any bigger, or being forced to the point where i have to trust in others (as would definitely be needed if joining any inspectorates). agree with you there i know myself as way too fastidious (ok paranoid), so even if i ever engaged the proven beyond all doubt best pooper scooper engineer on this forum, i'd still have to rip all the work apart after it was completed as if it was suffering tragic levels of false alarms, well before i could relax and sleep soundly. i'm most likely the craziest old git anyone has ver met, and agree with you there too but i'm also the happiest crazy old git anyone has ever met you can have the south - I`ll have the north regs alan
sparky3366 Posted January 6, 2008 Posted January 6, 2008 I seem to find over here in Northern Ireland that apart from the yellow hex company, all other companies seem to have a very slap dash attitude to servicing & installation standards. I have lost count of the number of times I have been 'nagged' for spending too long on a service because the original install which were less than 4 years old were shocking. The amount of new installs or upgrades with only PA, Int & Confirm on a Redcare/GSM's were scary. Also twisted joints, batteries not dated or tested, no paperwork on site, no log books issued...and you wonder why people are leaving the industry. If at first you don't succeed...don't try skydiving!
Alarm Co Posted January 6, 2008 Author Posted January 6, 2008 ok so im guessing theres no bench mark to servicing then? theres nothing realy wrong with taking the pair out of the panel and checking
Guest anguscanplay Posted January 6, 2008 Posted January 6, 2008 theres nothing realy wrong with taking the pair out of the panel and checking yeah - it weakens the terminals, could be classed as a new connection and alters the "state" of the system, or have you not been listening LOL
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