arfur mo Posted January 4, 2008 Posted January 4, 2008 So from the last lot of replies if I want to identify each point I have to wire it to a seperate zone, that works out as 14-15 zones with 23 sensors (some windows etc will have 2 shocks as the are bay windows with 4 openings)So going for the 490 will almost be at max capacity for the kind of setup I am wanting. That leave the 595, 816 or 872 for the job with extra capacity if needed. arfur mo you are right that I could easily just allocate a zone for each room but after the break-in I wanted to do the best that I could and had allocated a suitable budget roughly 1500 but the prices I got were well in excess of that. So I have decided to fit cctv and the alarm myself and I am sure if I take my time and connect each sensor at a time and test I will be o.k. I will have help on hand if I get stuck and hopefully some members of the forum will also help. I am just doing fully perimeter downstairs so we can roam around at will with the alarm on and some PIR's upstairs for time when the house is empty. Thanks to all who have replied. Sully hi Sully, so where did 'we' get 30+ zones from in another thread then? it's not very wise to put more than one active electronic detection device (like vibration sensors or pirs) on a zone, but if pressed for zone space on a panel some will wire in the units LED's to indicate but this id getting exotic for little gain. putting contacts on the same zone is fairly ok for door/window contacts but again always best on their own zone. the biggest reason for this is if a device go's faulty and false alarms how will you know for sure which one caused it, if you have 2 or more on a zone? if the 816 is still around then go for it, but personally with all due respects and also knowing you are very budget conscious, but i think you are heading for a world of hurt on a system of this size, so if you insist on going through with it i'd urge you not to go the whole hog in one go, get the panel and keypad with a few detectors even the external bell, if it works out then great, but if not then not too much dosh wasted (hopefully ). the members i'm sure will offer some reasonable fair help, but nobody in here is running a complete and free training course, but you can book up at night school for courses. regs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!!
breff Posted January 4, 2008 Posted January 4, 2008 It's not wise to totally rely on perimeter protection only. I would stick a couple of PIR's downstairs aswell just in case. Put every detector on it's own zone. Makes things 100 times easier if you get any false alarms in future. Don't forget to fit a PSU to power the detection devices aswell. Agreed. Perimeter is good but if it is breached it leaves the whole house vulnerable, always back up with PIRs The opinions I express are mine and are usually correct! (Except when I'm wrong)(which I'm not)
Alarm Protection Posted January 4, 2008 Posted January 4, 2008 Hi Sully, We meet again as per your last post on wireless alarms on this forum. TBH why do you not just specify what you need as in terms of wired detectors and wireless and no doubt the Gardtec guys will be able to help. The only problems and i might be mistaken but you have a friend that is an alarm engineer and you still want to ask a sparks who is going to run cable for you. This is where i am going to say forget the alarm engineer friend,the sparks and the CCTV to get a fully functional alarm installed by a good company! From what you have said you may have a house that is worth so many hundered of thousand pounds and you only want to pay !
arfur mo Posted January 4, 2008 Posted January 4, 2008 Hi Sully,We meet again as per your last post on wireless alarms on this forum. TBH why do you not just specify what you need as in terms of wired detectors and wireless and no doubt the Gardtec guys will be able to help. The only problems and i might be mistaken but you have a friend that is an alarm engineer and you still want to ask a sparks who is going to run cable for you. This is where i am going to say forget the alarm engineer friend,the sparks and the CCTV to get a fully functional alarm installed by a good company! From what you have said you may have a house that is worth so many hundered of thousand pounds and you only want to pay If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!!
Alarm Protection Posted January 4, 2008 Posted January 4, 2008 Alan, My mind is clear now and going to the gym(Its not gonna last long though!) but when the op mentioned the size of the house then they can afford an installer to fit an alarm for them. In my sense i have a !
sullym6 Posted January 4, 2008 Author Posted January 4, 2008 Hi everyone seems like I have jumped in kinda feet first but still in a bit of shock after the break in. so where did 'we' get 30+ zones from in another thread then? I mentioned 25 sensors in my other post but that was more to do with the wired/wireless think as wireless is easier install. Scottish Engineer I know what you are saying but this has come at the worst possible time, just lost 1 income so money is tight and will be for some time, I have friends who do stuff so it got me thinking I would get spark to run the cables, fit the sensors and then try and program myself and if I got stuck ring the alarm guy I have decided to go down the wired route and I will list the setup I am hoping to have. 1 x Control Panel 1 X Remote Keypad 1 x External sounder 1 X Decoy sounder 1 X internal sounder 3 X Magnetic door contacts 14 X Vibration detectors 1 X Passive infra red detector (point taken and will add some more PIRs in main areas like kitchens etc) 2 X Smoke detectors 2 X Personal attack buttons 1 x Speech dialler I am maybe thinking it is easier than it really is, I have a programming backgroud and have also setup a couple of telephone systems which take a fair amount of wiring and programming (current system I have is a 8 line system with 40 extensions) I will take arfur mo advise and get the panel and a few sensors and have a play, worst case is I have to pay for somebody to install it and I can just reuse what I have bought. I appericiate all the advise and I am taking it on board Thanks Sully
Alarm Protection Posted January 4, 2008 Posted January 4, 2008 Sully i am sorry to hear about loss of income etc but this is a big install that needs a pro in to do it for you. Get a few other quotes rom companies and you might be surprised by the price. With the detectors e.g shocke these need set up properly as you will have false alarms!. Why cant the alarm friend do the install totally or is he from the company you got a quote from?? Do it right or i can see a lot of problems in the future as i have seen before mixing wired/wireless unless the job has been done right. Good luck though and please keep posting on your project as i hope you can prove me wrong. !
Guest anguscanplay Posted January 4, 2008 Posted January 4, 2008 sully - listen to me, do it the other way round, fit your alarm if you must but fit more PIR detectors first its quicker its easier theres minimal setting up fit impact detectors if you want but they are purely a first line of defense - the chances are they wont be set up properly (no offense meant) and will either not work or be going off and reducing the efficiancy of your system.Weigh it all up against an alarm fitted by a pro, you think you`ll get it all done and finished by the middle of next week? ( just for info how long will it take for the sparky to run the wires before you can start fitting?) you`ve had a price that you can`t afford but IMO your overspeccing your system - half that amount doesnt mean half the level of protection ( indeed in your case it would probably improve it )
arfur mo Posted January 4, 2008 Posted January 4, 2008 sully - listen to me, do it the other way round, fit your alarm if you must but fit more PIR detectors firstits quicker its easier theres minimal setting up fit impact detectors if you want but they are purely a first line of defense - the chances are they wont be set up properly (no offense meant) and will either not work or be going off and reducing the efficiancy of your system.Weigh it all up against an alarm fitted by a pro, you think you`ll get it all done and finished by the middle of next week? ( just for info how long will it take for the sparky to run the wires before you can start fitting?) you`ve had a price that you can`t afford but IMO your overspeccing your system - half that amount doesnt mean half the level of protection ( indeed in your case it would probably improve it ) Sully, me and Angus can't ever agree on anything, but then you come along and spoil the perfect record, suddenly we are both in total state of sync, so at least thats one thing you have achieved and something nobody else has in just under 2 years (psst! ever thought of being a social workers?) regs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!!
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