Premier 48 Part Set

[Rong]

Hi guys, I have a couple more questions you may be able to help me with.

Using wintex I programmed zone 2 type as Guard, Attbs1 - Omitable and Part 1 Omit, Attbs2 - Auto rearm. RKP Quick Arm set. I was hoping that on the RKP pressing 1 then Part would arm all zones except for zone 2 but Zone 2 still triggers the alarm.

If I set full Alarm on the RKP and then omit zone 2 it works as expected.

I did the same programming via the RKP, Zone setup 5.1 which showed the same as Wintex and of course still failed.

I then thought that Area Arm Suite 1 was related to Part Set 1 and so set area A as Instant but zone 2 still triggered the alarm.

It all looks obvious when reading the manual but obviously it isn't.

What am I doing wrong or missing? Your comments appreciated.

I also have Area B armed Instant by Control Timer 1. This works as expected except it takes 5 minutes to Full Arm from the set on time. I cannot see anything in the timers which is set to 5 minutes. The disarm is instant when the set off activates. Is this normal?

Many thanks.

[Rong]

Hi guys, I have a couple more questions you may be able to help me with.

Using wintex I programmed zone 2 type as Guard, Attbs1 - Omitable and Part 1 Omit, Attbs2 - Auto rearm. RKP Quick Arm set. I was hoping that on the RKP pressing 1 then Part would arm all zones except for zone 2 but Zone 2 still triggers the alarm.

If I set full Alarm on the RKP and then omit zone 2 it works as expected.

I did the same programming via the RKP, Zone setup 5.1 which showed the same as Wintex and of course still failed.

I then thought that Area Arm Suite 1 was related to Part Set 1 and so set area A as Instant but zone 2 still triggered the alarm.

It all looks obvious when reading the manual but obviously it isn't.

What am I doing wrong or missing? Your comments appreciated.

I also have Area B armed Instant by Control Timer 1. This works as expected except it takes 5 minutes to Full Arm from the set on time. I cannot see anything in the timers which is set to 5 minutes. The disarm is instant when the set off activates. Is this normal?

Many thanks.

First part sorted thanks, I missed assigning an area to Auto part Arm and it does appear that the Arm Suite needs setting too.

The second part appears to be the Exit delay according to the event log. Is this fixed I have not yet found a setting/timer for this?

[Rong]

First part sorted thanks, I missed assigning an area to Auto part Arm and it does appear that the Arm Suite needs setting too.

The second part appears to be the Exit delay according to the event log. Is this fixed I have not yet found a setting/timer for this?

No not sorted, I'm full of c***.

If I set Arm Suite 1 and zone 2 to Part 1 Omit then part set activates and omits zone 2, great!

If a user then sets a full alarm it still part arms and omits zone 2.

I could probably get around it by setting zone 2 to it's own area but that defeats the system. I do not understand the relationship between part Arm and Arm Suites.

Can anyone enlighten me?

[Rong]

No not sorted, I'm full of c***.

If I set Arm Suite 1 and zone 2 to Part 1 Omit then part set activates and omits zone 2, great!

If a user then sets a full alarm it still part arms and omits zone 2.

I could probably get around it by setting zone 2 to it's own area but that defeats the system. I do not understand the relationship between part Arm and Arm Suites.

Can anyone enlighten me?

Am I boring anyone yet?

Now can press AREA on RKP and Part 1 gets set. (Auto Part Arm). Same sequence but with EXIT triggered sets FULL alarm.

I would still appreciate some insights into the Part Arm and Arm Suites as I am not 100% sure, especially when it comes to Part 2 & 3 Omit.

Thanks

[Gixxer]

Am I boring anyone yet?

Now can press AREA on RKP and Part 1 gets set. (Auto Part Arm). Same sequence but with EXIT triggered sets FULL alarm.

I would still appreciate some insights into the Part Arm and Arm Suites as I am not 100% sure, especially when it comes to Part 2 & 3 Omit.

Thanks

Not used texecom for ages but think you assign areas to Arm suites so you can set multiple areas using Area Arm Suites rather than setting one at a time. Part Arms are just part sets for each area ie. night set with landing off and all down stairs on each area has 3 part sets. Hope that helps in some way

[Rong]

Not used texecom for ages but think you assign areas to Arm suites so you can set multiple areas using Area Arm Suites rather than setting one at a time. Part Arms are just part sets for each area ie. night set with landing off and all down stairs on each area has 3 part sets. Hope that helps in some way

Thanks Gixxer. I did suspect it was possibly something like that but didn't want to experiment too much without confirmation. Seems a complicated way of doing a simple job. Does the Auto part set only apply to Arm Suite 1?

[Gixxer]

Thanks Gixxer. I did suspect it was possibly something like that but didn't want to experiment too much without confirmation. Seems a complicated way of doing a simple job. Does the Auto part set only apply to Arm Suite 1?

Areas assigned to "Auto Part Arm" will fully arm if an E/E zone is activated during exit mode and wil part arm if a E/E zone is not detected.

[Rong]

Doesn't matter which Arm Suite I use it always uses Part 1 Omit. There does not seem to be a way to get the effect of part 2 Omit. I am now thinking I have a fault. I will have to contact Texecom on Monday. In the meantime I can do what I need by assigning zones to areas and switching areas in the Arm Suites. Doing it this way though means I cannot use the Auto Part Arm which is a useful function.

Many thanks for your help Gixxer.

[breff]

Rong, unless you need multiple areas (ie house and garage) dont use them, put all zones in 1 area and use part sets, area arm suites just create problems as the areas are full armed, so a detector at the bottom of the stairs for instance will go into full alarm even if it is programmed as guard access, but when part set it will start the entry timer. Part sets are easy, any detector you want off in a part arm , give it that part omit attribute. So if you have a part set where you only want the landing turned off, only give the landing that part omit attribute.

[Rong]

Breff, Good advice and logical. I had originally thought I would use it that way but it did not meet my requirements. I have now discovered a few things that make it a little easier for me to understand.

If I want to use quick keys then at least 1 area needs setting in Arm Suites.

With this, it is not possible to set Part 1 Omit from the RKP though it can be set in Wintex.

Auto Part Arm will allow Part 1 Omit to be set from the RKP but it is then set no matter which Part Set is active. In other words if I set Part 2 Omit then Part 1 Omit is also set.

AREA key sets Part 1 Omit or full arm on exit, as expected.

I need Zone 8 to be deactivated automatically in the morning so this is set on/off by Timer 1 for Area B. Zone 8 will only be activated when the Alarm is set at night and the timer triggers as Zone 8 is in both Area A & B. Area B does not have to be in the Arm Suite because it is not set by a user.

Zone 2 is a PIR which needs to be off at night. I would have liked to put Zone 2 with Part 1 Omit so that I can use the AREA key with Auto Part Arm. This is no use as when I part set 2 or 3, Part 1 Omit is also activated by the Auto Part Arm.

I am often away from home and then my neighbor checks the house. It would be really nice for her just to set the Alarm by pressing AREA and leaving via the front door so that it goes into a Full Arm but with Area B still on the timer. Area B Zone 8 is IR Beams which protect the side of the house and car port. During the day it is possible that callers may enter this area but not acceptable at night.

It is disappointing that I cannot use the all the functions in a way that is logical to me. I think I have tried every combination available but there is always a disadvantage. Sometimes I cannot disarm at the RKP!

If you have any further thoughts I would appreciate them. Is there an Emoticon to depict one tearing ones hair out?