magpye Posted February 2, 2008 Posted February 2, 2008 Without reading PD6662 I may be wrong with what i am about to say and if i am please feel free to correct me if you feel the need.I doubt anywhere in this standard it will define what an "engineer" actually is. If it does im guessing it will say "a competent person" which is very hard to be defined. No where in any Electrical regualtions such as BS7671 does it state that the person needs to be an electrcian/engineer/techincian etc. "An engineer is someone who is trained or professionally engaged in a branch of engineering.[1] Engineers use technology, mathematics, and scientific knowledge to solve practical problems. People who work as engineers typically have an academic degree (or equivalent work experience) in one of the engineering disciplines" definition from wiki under that definition i am an engineer (but i dont claim to be as i have more respect for the term) so therefore should i not be allowed to access the engineering pannel? I'm not going to get into a protracted argument about the wording of standards, other than perhaps it should read something like security engineers. As far a 'wiki' goes, well any one can edit that to their hearts content until someone 'corrects it' and someone then edits again, and again etc etc Not saying that what you say about being an engineer is true or not. The difference is that Security Engineers are exactly that and are vetted accordingly. Also, when you read the site rules on joining this Forum (?) you will have seen that we are unable to provide defaulting information and 'engineer' manuals. The advice given is correct, unfortunately you need an 'engineer', sorry security engineer, unless of course you can find 'engineer' manuals elsewhere and DIY. Someone told me I was ignorant and apathetic, I don't know what that means, nor do I care.
Guest anguscanplay Posted February 2, 2008 Posted February 2, 2008 point is you need a trained and vetted alarm engineer ( though your wrong with your definition LOL) or a new panel - choice is yours at the end of the day
Warmapple Posted February 2, 2008 Author Posted February 2, 2008 point is you need a trained and vetted alarm engineer ( though your wrong with your definition LOL) or a new panel - choice is yours at the end of the day As i said please feel free to correct me. I did read the rules at the start which is why at no point have i asked for any of these codes or manuals, i can see my opinion isn't really welcome here you might as well have just all said NO NO NO! to me.. Thank you for all of your inputs Ian
Guest anguscanplay Posted February 2, 2008 Posted February 2, 2008 I can`t see what you getting upset about Ian, you asked what needs doing, we said it needs reprograming, you made a comment about "it shouldnt be allowed...." and we agreed really you know your beef is with whoever sold you the house, not the alarm trade chill out and enjoy some music on me http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KRy8N1P1EUI
breff Posted February 2, 2008 Posted February 2, 2008 Ian, get yourself down to CEF or whatever wholesaler you use and enquire the price of a new panel, it will probably be less than paying for a callout and then you'll have a spare and the manual. The opinions I express are mine and are usually correct! (Except when I'm wrong)(which I'm not)
j.paul Posted February 2, 2008 Posted February 2, 2008 Just to clarify, "With a professionally installed system, British Standard PD6662 (effective from 1st October 2005) dictates that only engineers can access engineering. Permitting a user to access engineering breaks regulations" What you are asking for requires re-programming, therefore an engineer Qualified electricians don't have rules and regulations that they have to follow? That would be a level 3 user then There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots.
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