ViperMK2 Posted February 18, 2008 Posted February 18, 2008 did you get a manual?its all in there It's more of a quick start guide than a manual, risco charge for a manual you lads are better than coronation street Something has to be As the days go by, we face the increasing inevitability that we are alone in a godless, uninhabited, hostile and meaningless universe. Still, you've got to laugh, haven't you?
arfur mo Posted February 18, 2008 Posted February 18, 2008 night? do you mean 12hr arf? Night or 12 hour both mean the same thing, an oddity hangover from the dark ages of alarms when only businesses or wealthy houses had them. panels for many years after 'part set' was the norm had 'DAY' led's (9100 & 9800 just 2 of them as example), which really meant 'OFF'. regs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!!
arfur mo Posted February 18, 2008 Posted February 18, 2008 and he means EN1 or EN2 - End of Line Format1 is a totally different set of commands ( it choses which style of EOL you use) i'm soundly corrected by Angus Well he's got to win sometimes (or he will take his ball away and not play ) regs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!!
arfur mo Posted February 18, 2008 Posted February 18, 2008 Thanks Viper, that makes sense now.What about the other settings, should it be on ELF1 or normal ? Should it be set to 12hr norm or 12hr -remove etc etc ? I have a eurosec cpx with LCD RKP. 12 hour remove- means you can't isolate that zone, remove+ means you can. before you ask, double knock is to do with 2 activations (knocks) within a set time window on the same detector, or remains in alarm for more than a set time window. was useful in harsh environments like drafty garages when using basic detectors, but most engineers will fit the proper detector to handle it. 2 zones programmed as double knock will be combined within the software, so a single knock on the 1st zone (programmed as DK) will mean the second zone (programmed as DK) will act as the 2nd 'knock' to satisfy the 'double knock' criteria and triggers the alarm. i bet your happy you did not actually asked now regs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!!
alterEGO Posted February 18, 2008 Posted February 18, 2008 It's more of a quick start guide than a manual, risco charge 'some people' for a manual Something has to be
valks1 Posted February 18, 2008 Author Posted February 18, 2008 Ok thanks for all your help. So this is what i should have set : Zone type - 12hr +Remove Wiring type - Normal Last question - My PIR has a look down feature, which is left covered, does this make it a mask or anti mask PIR ??? It is a Bosch Blueline P1 Take a look here Spec Sheet
arfur mo Posted February 18, 2008 Posted February 18, 2008 Ok thanks for all your help.So this is what i should have set : Zone type - 12hr +Remove Wiring type - Normal Last question - My PIR has a look down feature, which is left covered, does this make it a mask or anti mask PIR ??? It is a Bosch Blueline P1 Take a look here Spec Sheet wiring tyoe normal is for loop wiring (which in fact is no longer 'normal), you need EOL if using 'end of line' resistors, look at the panel quick start sheet for how to wire these up properly. 'look down' is nothing to do with anti-masking, look down is designed for (amongst other things) if you fit the detector on a corner of say the landing between 2 doors, and intruder will not be able to pass underneath in the detectors 'shadow' area undetected, when traveling from one room to the other. best you see the pir's instructions sheet for a fuller explanation of the features, best siting considerations and heights, after all they made it - not us regs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!!
Guest anguscanplay Posted February 19, 2008 Posted February 19, 2008 wiring tyoe normal is for loop wiring (which in fact is no longer 'normal), you need EOL if using 'end of line' resistors, look at the panel quick start sheet for how to wire these up properly. nothing to do with it - stop guessing Arfur you select EOL or not from the zone expansion "on board.." question, 8 zones means CC, 9 zones means EOL then you select from the following normal means no anti mask detection ELF1 means 3 relays in the detector ELF2 means 2 relays and a switched output
arfur mo Posted February 19, 2008 Posted February 19, 2008 nothing to do with it - stop guessing Arfur you select EOL or not from the zone expansion "on board.." question, 8 zones means CC, 9 zones means EOL then you select from the following normal means no anti mask detection ELF1 means 3 relays in the detector ELF2 means 2 relays and a switched output so where am i 'guessing', o/p asked a question about wiring type - so he is already been into zone wiring options, so he already knows where to find it. 'NORMAL' is the old fashioned d/p loop (using global tamper a negative) so no longer the 'normal' is it? has not been for manny manny years well on my firm anyway. but then, you were in a recent question when we got into engineer reset on tampers, you stated if the client lifted the lid they could fit links - well not on my systems matey VERY not en/pd pc old boy 9 zone means EOL, well no it don't, this is mythical on your part Angus there is no '9 zone' option, it just means the old global anti tamper is convereted to a zone which becomes Zone 9 only when EOL options are selected but at leas you got the ELF!/2 bit right - so your getting better as you get older regs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!!
Guest anguscanplay Posted February 19, 2008 Posted February 19, 2008 so where am i 'guessing', everywhere latelyo/p asked a question about wiring type - so he is already been into zone wiring options, so he already knows where to find it. 'NORMAL' is the old fashioned d/p loop (using global tamper a negative) so no longer the 'normal' is it? no it isnt the only option with a "normal" is in relation to selecting the EOL values the panel looks for to enable mask detection has not been for manny manny years well on my firm anyway. but then, you were in a recent question when we got into engineer reset on tampers, you stated if the client lifted the lid they could fit links - well not on my systems matey VERY not en/pd pc old boy WTF you on about ? changing the subject when your wrong is the kind of thing my 7 year old does 9 zone means EOL, well no it don't, this is mythical on your part Angus there is no '9 zone' option, it just means the old global anti tamper is convereted to a zone which becomes Zone 9 only when EOL options are selected and if you knew how to select EOL youd see the text on the keypad change before your eyes from "on board zones - 8 " to " on board zones 9 - EOL" but at leas you got the ELF!/2 bit right - so your getting better as you get older well I didnt bother pointing out that you dont get the EN3 option on this grade of panel cause that would have just been rubbing it in regs alan its an advice forum - let me give you some, when your wrong shut up, stop trying to dig yourself out of the hole,just admit it and move on to the next topic - its for the best
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