budha Posted May 19, 2008 Posted May 19, 2008 hi guys, i am a fully qualified eletrician and have recentley ben asked on numerous jobs to fit alarm/fire alarms.i am pretty confident on the alarm side as i usually go for a 8 zone kit using only 5/6 of the zones,i do not attempt the fire side as i think this is to speacilised(not degrading the intruder side).my question is is there courses out there c&g for instance to get qualified to,and if so what are they and the minium one i would need?thanks for any feed back.
james.wilson Posted May 19, 2008 Posted May 19, 2008 budha Are you talking about fire or intruder? Intruder the C&G 1851 course that was based on BS4737 has been replaced by the C&G 1852 course. As you know a few years ago Bristish Standards were replaced with European Norms, so we know have BS EN 50131 (and its various parts) for security, but we still have BS 5839 for Fire. The FIA (formaly the BFPSA) run various courses http://www.fia.uk.com/ Obviously if your looking for 3rd party accrediation ie BAFE or LPC then you will need to complete some of these prior to approval. Haveing done 6 modules myself i can say they are excellent. James securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount.
shinfieldmonkey Posted May 19, 2008 Posted May 19, 2008 Tavcom do a full range of course at reasonable prices there bases in southampton they also offer BTEC certificates Mark Terry A.M.I. Security Covering the Thames Valley Tel. 01189 775173 24hours mark.terry@amisecurity.co.uk
kka Posted May 19, 2008 Posted May 19, 2008 Tavcom do a full range of course at reasonable prices there bases in southampton they also offer BTEC certificates tavcom. did some training there.. guys were really good, knew their stuff....... Kevin Scott. Owner of KK Alarms...... Installation .. Service .. Repair ...... Thoughout.. Northumberland and North Tyneside ..... Tel:01670 361948 (call diverted after 15 seconds) or 07947444114
budha Posted May 19, 2008 Author Posted May 19, 2008 budhaAre you talking about fire or intruder? Intruder the C&G 1851 course that was based on BS4737 has been replaced by the C&G 1852 course. As you know a few years ago Bristish Standards were replaced with European Norms, so we know have BS EN 50131 (and its various parts) for security, but we still have BS 5839 for Fire. The FIA (formaly the BFPSA) run various courses http://www.fia.uk.com/ Obviously if your looking for 3rd party accrediation ie BAFE or LPC then you will need to complete some of these prior to approval. Haveing done 6 modules myself i can say they are excellent. James brilliant response ,how long are the course's roughly i am looking into more the itruder side.dont want to be a three week wonder or any thing but just about to finish by 2391 inspection and testing and with work family committents its hard to comitt to a long course. again.
Guest Cerberus NI Posted May 19, 2008 Posted May 19, 2008 budhaAre you talking about fire or intruder? Intruder the C&G 1851 course that was based on BS4737 has been replaced by the C&G 1852 course. As you know a few years ago Bristish Standards were replaced with European Norms, so we know have BS EN 50131 (and its various parts) for security, but we still have BS 5839 for Fire. The FIA (formaly the BFPSA) run various courses http://www.fia.uk.com/ Obviously if your looking for 3rd party accrediation ie BAFE or LPC then you will need to complete some of these prior to approval. Haveing done 6 modules myself i can say they are excellent. James Agreed on the choice for fire.
alterEGO Posted May 19, 2008 Posted May 19, 2008 I've got the 1852, wouldn't say it was life changing, although out of 20 ppl i was the only one with a distinction, and there was one lad with a pass, the rest total fail. Although i think that says more about the ppl on the course then the difficulty of it.
arfur mo Posted May 20, 2008 Posted May 20, 2008 personally i worry about 'courses' as qualifications are not experience, and both fields carry a very high degree of responsibility and legal ramifications if something is accidentally over looked. my advice would be by all means do the courses then get work on firms in these fields for at least 2 years, as you will soon learn the skills needed not all in the text books. most can fit systems but fitting is not fixing them when they go wrong, and when the buck stops at you @3am thats when all the hair can fall out - trust me. takes in-sutue time to be any good and that is with full respect of your own trade experiences. they should give you an edge (as long as your one of the few exceptional sparks that can understand serial wiring ). regs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!!
Cubit Posted May 20, 2008 Posted May 20, 2008 personally i worry about 'courses' as qualifications are not experience, and both fields carry a very high degree of responsibility and legal ramifications if something is accidentally over looked.my advice would be by all means do the courses then get work on firms in these fields for at least 2 years, as you will soon learn the skills needed not all in the text books. most can fit systems but fitting is not fixing them when they go wrong, and when the buck stops at you @3am thats when all the hair can fall out - trust me. takes in-sutue time to be any good and that is with full respect of your own trade experiences. they should give you an edge (as long as your one of the few exceptional sparks that can understand serial wiring ). regs alan Arf your reply seems to suggest courses are no good - field experience is wot counts? Even courses are all experience. Whilst they do not make you an 'expert' they can, and should, help speed up the learning experience and ensure a good knowledge of the fundamentals and provide a sound basis for the future.
arfur mo Posted May 20, 2008 Posted May 20, 2008 Arfyour reply seems to suggest courses are no good - field experience is wot counts? Even courses are all experience. Whilst they do not make you an 'expert' they can, and should, help speed up the learning experience and ensure a good knowledge of the fundamentals and provide a sound basis for the future. Hi Cubs, can't see how you read me so wrong, look again and read ALL the 1st 2 paragraphs (not that long a post - for me anyway ). what i am concerned about is a 'newbee' (no offence) going down the thought path of a new driver "i have passed my test so i can prove i'm the bestist fastist driver that ever lived and i got the Saxo with bas boosters to proove it" but he won't be even close for years to come if you see what i mean. in 'our' game technical ability is invaluable and much can be gained from books and cources, but that won't teach you all the pitfalls of installation or servicing. like when on faults how and what to ask to zero in or if best to keep it stum and prevent dropping yourself into the proverbial kackar, just some of the survival skills which are passed on by practical experience and example best of all working with the older hands. these days one wrong or ill considered word/phrase made with best or inocent intentions can drop you the very awkward side of a law suit. regs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!!
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