Automatic Face And Walk Recognition

[Cubit]

Public forum.......

And the cameras are located where exactly??

[billythebellbox]

But surely as the system is in place in the public domain, it shouldnt make a difference if its in the public or trade forum

doubt they have such a product, if such a thing existed & where on trial with a loacl authority, would expect a blaze of PR

youless the OP can provide a link where the soucre is?

[lowlofe]

I can see if i can find the piece of paper which all the info is on, as i came across the aforementioned print off by accident it didnt really interest me to start off with,

Then i was curious of how the system worked because anything that invades that much of a persons privacy had to be illegal. so i emailed and called to ask for more information, and to be swiftly be told there was no such thing, never will be, who told you about it, go home and be a good citizen.

regs alex

[james.wilson]

i dont see how a system that tracked a person automatically would be an invasion or classed as illigal as long as the current guidelines were adhered too. And the same thing happens to your car 3 or 4 times a week. If it isnt fitted there now it will be in time.

[Doktor Jon]

I think it goes by the name of Aurora?

I think this is the company you were referring to ...

There's a lot of very clever Video Analytics systems in development, and quite a few already in the marketplace.

The 'gait' system is currently not that reliable, and facial recognition is also some way off being reliable enough to be used with impunity.

Target tracking is certainly an established function now for a number of manufacturers (there were a few at IFSEC if you looked hard enough), although the next generation of multiple target tracking systems are still a year or two away from market.

Now I've just realised why I don't sleep well at night

And as for discussing the specifics of how this stuff works, well much of it is already in the public domain, it's just that most of the the public chooses not to be aware. If a manufacturer chooses not to discuss where their equipment is being trialled or permanently deployed, such is their prerogative.

[kensplace]

Cant see any reason the council would have for refusing to give you the information if requested under the freedom of information act, plus as a public body, wont they have to make it public record what the cctv money was spent on if asked?

Cant see them using it myself, and if they are, it wont work very well, auto recognition systems will have a long way to go before they are really good, and dome to dome tracking would be hard... When someone moves from one dome to another, the other dome would have to move to the last known position that closely matched up to the point where the other dome lost the person, then it would have to refind that person in the crowd or whatever....

[lowlofe]

Cant see any reason the council would have for refusing to give you the information if requested under the freedom of information act, plus as a public body, wont they have to make it public record what the cctv money was spent on if asked?

Cant see them using it myself, and if they are, it wont work very well, auto recognition systems will have a long way to go before they are really good, and dome to dome tracking would be hard... When someone moves from one dome to another, the other dome would have to move to the last known position that closely matched up to the point where the other dome lost the person, then it would have to refind that person in the crowd or whatever....

All very valid points!

But the system has to be tried and tested somewhere,

Forgive me for saying but i was watching some cctv police camera action stop arrest thing program and they were showing off a piece of software that can recognize abnormal activities and then alert the cctv operator, then they showed a lot of clips of what it was picking up etc all of them from northampton (living in northampton all your life you end up knowing the place like the back of your hand) so there were shots of drunk people throwing stuff etc anyways they spent all this time on showing us what it can do but they never named the town, unlike all the other bits of video footage on the program.

So northampton is piloting cctv backbones, but is keeping them secret squiggle quiet!!

Why let the hamsters know you are tracking them?

Regs

alex

[kka]

think, not certain. but was there not something at ifsec about this very topic. faces and people being tracked thought camera reconigtion...

[james.wilson]

Forgive me for saying but i was watching some cctv police camera action stop arrest thing program and they were showing off a piece of software that can recognize abnormal activities and then alert the cctv operator, then they showed a lot of clips of what it was picking up etc all of them from northampton (living in northampton all your life you end up knowing the place like the back of your hand) so there were shots of drunk people throwing stuff etc anyways they spent all this time on showing us what it can do but they never named the town, unlike all the other bits of video footage on the program.

The alerting of 'abnormal activities' is basically called analytics and there are a few systems. Face recognition is different. Analytics looks for all sorts of things like people walking through a car park and then trying every door handle rather than just walking by, suiciders on train platforms etc etc. These systems are trained over a period of time by a human. Seem to work well but rather specialised in the application, ie not general purpose.

[ilkie]

The alerting of 'abnormal activities' is basically called analytics and there are a few systems. Face recognition is different. Analytics looks for all sorts of things like people walking through a car park and then trying every door handle rather than just walking by, suiciders on train platforms etc etc. These systems are trained over a period of time by a human. Seem to work well but rather specialised in the application, ie not general purpose.

Newer systems we are playing with automatically learn normal behavior to enable the flagging up of exceptions.

Very effective but creates some real operational issues.

Ilkie