DamienGiles Posted July 25, 2008 Posted July 25, 2008 I'm trying to get my head around a few things if someone could clarify please! 1) The STU is a device used to connect only to RedCare? 2) The DigiModem - A device where an installer can dial in through a telephone line and diag panel etc? 3) What's the difference between DigiModem and ProDigi? 4) A (Gardtec) Dialler is neither of the above and is a standalone unit (atleast in the 872) which dials a predefined num to alert of alarm (basic operation) 5) Why does the Gardtec Dialler have an option to connect via Serial to the 872 - what benefit is this over running 8core? (surely this would mean either a REALLY long serial cable or locating the Dialler inside the 872). 6) Can a STU do the same as the DigiModem or is an STU also called a DigiModem? 7) The Gardtec Remote Software also allows you to connect a PC/Laptop locally directly into the panel using a serial cable which requires a DigiModem? 8) Can the Gardtec Remote Software be used to program the panel as if you were infront of an RKP? 9) What are ID biscuits - I throught they were Zone Expanders but now reading the Eng manual I'm not so sure! 10) What else can be plugged into the RS485 ports that either are not a Zone Expander/DigiModem/Stu/Dailler WOW that was a lot of questions. It doesn't matter how much I've read of Risco's advertisement bumpth.
DamienGiles Posted July 25, 2008 Author Posted July 25, 2008 where did you get the panel from? thanks for you anticipated comment but it wasn't from a distributor but from a non-installer source doing clearance.
Rulland Posted July 25, 2008 Posted July 25, 2008 Hi, IMO you need to learn to walk before you run, not meant as a 'put down', but a lot of the questions you are asking IMO are getting very close to 'engineer talk'-you have obviously researched a great deal into the intruder field-and I salute you for taking the time-the skill though is a time taught thing!. The dedicated trade members on this site will give you as much help as they can up to a point if you get my drift . Richard.
james.wilson Posted July 25, 2008 Posted July 25, 2008 I'm trying to get my head around a few things if someone could clarify please!1) The STU is a device used to connect only to RedCare? STU = Subscriber Terminal Unit and in this sense is only for redcare 2) The DigiModem - A device where an installer can dial in through a telephone line and diag panel etc? Its a DIGI (digital communicator) and a modem (Upload download etc) 3) What's the difference between DigiModem and ProDigi? No idea dont use risco 4) A (Gardtec) Dialler is neither of the above and is a standalone unit (atleast in the 872) which dials a predefined num to alert of alarm (basic operation) A speech dialler is just that, dials and plays a message, no reporting of problems, and no test signals made etc to prove path 5) Why does the Gardtec Dialler have an option to connect via Serial to the 872 - what benefit is this over running 8core? (surely this would mean either a REALLY long serial cable or locating the Dialler inside the 872). It shoudl be in the panel anyway unless you jump through a few hoops regarding complaince 6) Can a STU do the same as the DigiModem or is an STU also called a DigiModem? No, different devices 7) The Gardtec Remote Software also allows you to connect a PC/Laptop locally directly into the panel using a serial cable which requires a DigiModem? If connecting direct no modem is needed, id assume (if its like galaxy) that a dedicated lead is required. 8) Can the Gardtec Remote Software be used to program the panel as if you were infront of an RKP? It allows full programming without a keypad, far easier and better 9) What are ID biscuits - I throught they were Zone Expanders but now reading the Eng manual I'm not so sure! ID is a zone signalling system designed to allow upto 30 devices to communicate single alarm info down 2 wires. IMO Avoid. 10) What else can be plugged into the RS485 ports that either are not a Zone Expander/DigiModem/Stu/Dailler Cant put a stu on 485, but any data device, which will depend on the panel some accept more than others. WOW that was a lot of questions. It doesn't matter how much I've read of Risco's advertisement bumpth. Wont be in there some of those are fairly techy questions. securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount.
Rulland Posted July 25, 2008 Posted July 25, 2008 I concur with you Redbull-Thanks for adding the replies when I didn't have time !!! Rich.
DamienGiles Posted July 25, 2008 Author Posted July 25, 2008 Hi, IMO you need to learn to walk before you run, not meant as a 'put down', but a lot of the questions you are asking IMO are getting very close to 'engineer talk'-you have obviously researched a great deal into the intruder field-and I salute you for taking the time-the skill though is a time taught thing!. The dedicated trade members on this site will give you as much help as they can up to a point if you get my drift . Richard. Rulland, agree completly. Alot of the information I've researched either didn't cover these questions or were very vague. I understand that alot of the questions I've asked come from years of experience and questions. I appreciate everyones help on the forum and settled down here as it was the one and only forum where you have such a wide knowledge band and helpful people. I don't open a topic expecting everyone to reply or even a reply to every question - at the end of the day, it's up to you guys whether you want to or have the time to but every response is a well received one! Wont be in there some of those are fairly techy questions. redbull, thanks for taking the time to respond. helpful as always. Which ever source I've read told the Dialler to be placed externally from the panel and it was causing a headache planning a good position to put it around the current bare house knowing it wouldn't get in the way. I've read some of the standards and will try (I'm achieving at the moment) to keep it down the straight and narrow! I'm not here to make a mockery of any of the installers here taking time out of their lives to help others so I try and return it by respecting their standards and being respectful. I asked Q3 as Risco didn't have any info on the digipro. As for Q7 I understood that the DigiModem had the connector for the ULD feature but I'll check this closer when I'm through the manual. Ah ID Biscuits - yes, stay away. I'm avoiding zone doubling for this reason too. I know arfur mo uses Gardtec, hopefully you could clarify some of the 872 specific questions. Thanks again chaps, have a nice friday!
Guest anguscanplay Posted July 25, 2008 Posted July 25, 2008 I'm trying to get my head around a few things if someone could clarify please!1) The STU is a device used to connect only to RedCare? yes 2) The DigiModem - A device where an installer can dial in through a telephone line and diag panel etc? yes 3) What's the difference between DigiModem and ProDigi? same thing 4) A (Gardtec) Dialler is neither of the above and is a standalone unit (atleast in the 872) which dials a predefined num to alert of alarm (basic operation) yep 5) Why does the Gardtec Dialler have an option to connect via Serial to the 872 - what benefit is this over running 8core? (surely this would mean either a REALLY long serial cable or locating the Dialler inside the 872). puts the dialler next to the panel out of the way but you can abort (cancel ) any calls from the main keypad and simplifies wiring 6) Can a STU do the same as the DigiModem or is an STU also called a DigiModem? forget the STU - LOL 7) The Gardtec Remote Software also allows you to connect a PC/Laptop locally directly into the panel using a serial cable which requires a DigiModem? if connected direct then you dont need a digimodem 8) Can the Gardtec Remote Software be used to program the panel as if you were infront of an RKP? yes and more - do you have a copy of the remote software 9) What are ID biscuits - I throught they were Zone Expanders but now reading the Eng manual I'm not so sure!bin them 10) What else can be plugged into the RS485 ports that either are not a Zone Expander/DigiModem/Stu/Dailler depending on the age of your panel either radio or nothing usable wait till you get to proggraming LOL
DamienGiles Posted July 25, 2008 Author Posted July 25, 2008 Looks like the PTM is just a config storage device for UDL... presumably this is a bit redundant if connecting direct to the panel using serial through the UDL software? Also the prodigi just has a few more options than the normal digimodem but it doesn't say whether the digimodem connects via serial like the prodigi. So it's beneficial to connect everything via 485 but if you have a zone expander, digimodem, dialler - is there a 485 expander :S
Guest anguscanplay Posted July 25, 2008 Posted July 25, 2008 Looks like the PTM is just a config storage device for UDL... presumably this is a bit redundant if connecting direct to the panel using serial through the UDL software?Also the prodigi just has a few more options than the normal digimodem but it doesn't say whether the digimodem connects via serial like the prodigi. So it's beneficial to connect everything via 485 but if you have a zone expander, digimodem, dialler - is there a 485 expander :S different take of points for different devices ............ do you have the UDL software?
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