Fire Makes Pier Nae Mare

[james.wilson]

lol hindsight isnt mentioned in risk assesments usually.

I would also say that if the risk assesment said what they had was fine..... it was blatently wrong as it wasnt. I hope it was empty thats all but frrl with current technology things like this shouldnt really happen.

I must also plead a bit of ignorance here with sprinklers then, are you saying that they wouldnt have helped at all and would probably have made it worse? If so what is recommened for kitchens in wooded contructions?

[Chorlton]

From what I've read it would appear that the initial fire was in an area where deep fat fryers are located so sprinklers wouldn't have helped in this area (assuming that the fire was indeed fuelled by oil).

However,early detection beyond this would definately been good - hindsight is a great thing,isn't it??

But water must be OK on DFF's because the fire brigade use it

lol hindsight isnt mentioned in risk assesments usually.

I would also say that if the risk assesment said what they had was fine..... it was blatently wrong as it wasnt. I hope it was empty thats all but frrl with current technology things like this shouldnt really happen.

I must also plead a bit of ignorance here with sprinklers then, are you saying that they wouldnt have helped at all and would probably have made it worse? If so what is recommened for kitchens in wooded contructions?

In theory water would cool cooking oild to below it auto ignition point but in reality it would cause a violent reaction *cold water meeting hot oil) and make the oil explode out into the room.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=MHz5fQ-rs8k&...feature=related

The extraction ducts would probably ignite either way as they rarely get deep cleaning done often enough in big kitchens due to the cost and downtime.

Sad state of affairs at any rate.

C.

[Guest Thunderfingers]

lol hindsight isnt mentioned in risk assesments usually.

I would also say that if the risk assesment said what they had was fine..... it was blatently wrong as it wasnt. I hope it was empty thats all but frrl with current technology things like this shouldnt really happen.

I must also plead a bit of ignorance here with sprinklers then, are you saying that they wouldnt have helped at all and would probably have made it worse? If so what is recommened for kitchens in wooded contructions?

As Chris has said,water on burning oil is not a good idea but a specialist supression system protecting the fryer and ducts might have helped.

[Gopher]

Yeah water (H2O) + Cooking Oil (CH3(CH2)16COOH) - basically Nice long Hydro-carbon chain aka free fuel.

				 H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H O	 H
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			   H-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-H + O = Disaster
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				 H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H O H

Since Petrol is basically a Hydro-Carbon as well the energy from the reaction would basically make this fuel, why you think you can run you diesel car on a mix of diesel + used cooking oil...

Fire Suppression yeah that would have helped shame really.

Well for the owners it's a 11million pound bit of charcoal..