New Alarm Help Needed Please

[Guest anguscanplay]

HI every one, thanks for all the advice so far....have decided on the following hope I made the right choice.

1 x Gardtec 490x Control panel

2 x Risco nova 6 Live bell boxes

5 x pet dualtechs

1 x 7amp battery backup

2 x 490x profile rkp

Total price fully fitted

[no1son]

good choice but no internal siren?

Hummm ok ...this is where i may have made a boo boo ... but i thought that the keypads made a sound when the alarm was triggered..if not then i had better add an internal one to the list.

I will talk to the fitting company to check..knew something was missing..lol

[echo]

Good choice with the guardtec, and i do think the rkps make a sound. I think, not sure thought tbh!

[no1son]

Thank you all ...what a great community you have here, lots of friendly advice and you have all been very patient with my inexperience of alarm systems.

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[NitroN]

I agree, all are reputable products, but get someone that knows what they are doing with Intruder Alarms. Unless specifically qualified to do so, I would not use an alarm tech/engineer to do my house's electrical installation.... and visa versa! I also strongly recommend the use of, at least one smoke detector, in your home.

if you use EOL it becomes 9 zones ( and if you really fancy a challenge double EOL will take it to 18 zones) and you still have 8 radio on top.....not for the faint hearted mind, and a challenge if yop have a problem.....

I'm not quite sure how EOL on an 8 zone panel becomes 9 zones or how DEOL can become 18 zones?

Typically, EOL makes it difficult to tamper with a zones wiring, while DEOL additionally prevents tampering with detectors/sensors in the disarmed state. Some panels DEOL zone conditions differentiate between zone set, zone alarm, zone tamper and zone fault, while other panels treat zone tampers and zone faults as the same condition. Perhaps this statement specifically refers to tamper zones, but then it still does not seem to make arithmetical sense to me, or am I just having an off night?

Do you have zone doubling on your panels in the UK? Some techs here have a problem differentiating between zone doubling and DEOL. Zone Doubling can make a suitable 8 zone panel become a 16 single EOL zone panel, but then this normally excludes DEOL zone wiring on both the initial and doubled zones. Zones designated as fire (smoke) zones will also normally also become normal (non zone-doubled) single EOL zones if either of these technologies are applied.

Panels that have included DEOL and Zone Doubling on the same zones, have normally, in my experience, had extremely low tolerance to resistance fluctuations and were often susceptible to false alarms. Fire zones are also already typically monitoring two different zone states to differentiate between a fire alarm and a fire trouble.

I could go into more detail, but this is not appropriate on an open forum.

Regards

NitroN

[arfur mo]

I agree, all are reputable products, but get someone that knows what they are doing with Intruder Alarms. Unless specifically qualified to do so, I would not use an alarm tech/engineer to do my house's electrical installation.... and visa versa! I also strongly recommend the use of, at least one smoke detector, in your home.

I'm not quite sure how EOL on an 8 zone panel becomes 9 zones or how DEOL can become 18 zones?

Typically, EOL makes it difficult to tamper with a zones wiring, while DEOL additionally prevents tampering with detectors/sensors in the disarmed state. Some panels DEOL zone conditions differentiate between zone set, zone alarm, zone tamper and zone fault, while other panels treat zone tampers and zone faults as the same condition. Perhaps this statement specifically refers to tamper zones, but then it still does not seem to make arithmetical sense to me, or am I just having an off night?

Do you have zone doubling on your panels in the UK? Some techs here have a problem differentiating between zone doubling and DEOL. Zone Doubling can make a suitable 8 zone panel become a 16 single EOL zone panel, but then this normally excludes DEOL zone wiring on both the initial and doubled zones. Zones designated as fire (smoke) zones will also normally also become normal (non zone-doubled) single EOL zones if either of these technologies are applied.

Panels that have included DEOL and Zone Doubling on the same zones, have normally, in my experience, had extremely low tolerance to resistance fluctuations and were often susceptible to false alarms. Fire zones are also already typically monitoring two different zone states to differentiate between a fire alarm and a fire trouble.

I could go into more detail, but this is not appropriate on an open forum.

Regards

NitroN

i fully agree use the specialist on the work they actually specialise in, but not with attaching smoke detctors to intruder alarms.

main reasons you ask?

1) if the alarm plays up then likely no smoke detection and visa versa.

2) people have enough problems idetifying a smoke alarm siren on a commercial dedicated fire alarm system in their place of works, and less what to do when it sounds, so why on earth make it worse by using an intruder alarm siren which pulses from the alarm system?

3) should it go off because the siund is different they just think the intruder alarms up the duff and get fried

all in all just very very bad practice imo, if i were on the board of inspectorates i'd ban it outright .

Gardtec CPX/490 panels have the ability to be programmed as 'loop' zones giving 8 zones, if youprogram as EOL the tamper becomes zone 9 (very handy) program as split zones gives you 2 x 9 zones = 18 zones, add one on the contour rkp = 19 zones.

a cheat on the keypad zone is a different value resistor across the contact decides if it is an E/E or Access zone, so you can have a 'split' zone off the rkp effectively = 20 zones out of the box.

The CPX is the plasic end station version, come with a speaker to fit in the back of the case or use the small supplied housing which obviously can be remoted.

regs

alan

[alterEGO]

HI every one, thanks for all the advice so far....have decided on the following hope I made the right choice.

1 x Gardtec 490x Control panel

2 x Risco nova 6 Live bell boxes

5 x pet dualtechs

1 x 7amp battery backup

2 x 490x profile rkp

Total price fully fitted

[Guest anguscanplay]

far to cheap, are the cables already in? if not, i would not go with that price.

you not heard theres a credit crunch on .........?

[no1son]

WOW

[Hugorune]

I personally would change the panel and keypad to a Gardtec 595 with G-tag Keypads. Easily expandable to 40 zones including 16 wireless, built in prox reader, built in speech dialer and modem and basically all the functionality you should ever need. The built in prox reader makes it as close to idiot proof as you're likely to get and you can add a remote control which we normally use for part setting. It really is a great little piece of kit and fairly inexpensive. And no I don't work for Gardtec. I've fitted dozens of them and we rarely have any problems.