Part set and tags in domestic discussion split

[Hugorune]

I'm not familiar with the 490x panel Angus (and he certainly can) but our customers seem to love the prox tags. Like I said, they are as close to idiot proof as you're likely to get. One touch to arm the system, one to disarm. Whats not to like?

[Guest anguscanplay]

I'm not familiar with the 490x panel Angus (and he certainly can) but our customers seem to love the prox tags. Like I said, they are as close to idiot proof as you're likely to get. One touch to arm the system, one to disarm. Whats not to like?

there was a big thread about the security of tags recently (it was in public so you should be able to find it) add to that trying to part set with tags and the fact the Risco ones arn`t exactly robust - take your pick LOL

IMO the 595 is a bit of a pig in a poke - too big for domestics but too small for a half decent commercial site - financially the 490X wins everytime

[arfur mo]

there was a big thread about the security of tags recently (it was in public so you should be able to find it) add to that trying to part set with tags and the fact the Risco ones arn`t exactly robust - take your pick LOL

IMO the 595 is a bit of a pig in a poke - too big for domestics but too small for a half decent commercial site - financially the 490X wins everytime

imo tags are a mixed 'bag', they are very easy to use and in my experience Gartecs are pretty reliable, although the panel sometimes 'forgets' one, requiring reprogramming that tag.

part setting imo is very easy with them, offer the tag then after the 'trill' press 1,2 or 3. but where it gets awkward is when the user starts to set but aborts for some reason, this causes the panel to offer "PART SET?" which confusses the user as its not every time they abort, then they can get into a real state or simply press YES leaving half the system off

i generally make the tags 'main users' for the household members and 'user' for holiday keyholders and cleaners etc because then there is no delay in starting to set and less options to fiddle with, should a 'user tag' wish to part set then offer the tag, on starting of exit tone press NO - 1 (or 2 - 3) and wallah!

the security issue with tags is losing it with a bunch of keys in a handbag lift, as a felon would have the method of switchig off the alarm and within the bag the address of the house. but imo that is better than the risk of unauthorised persons being given the code or learning it by shoulder surfing. to keep codes secure best advice is they should be changed at regular intervals - but few do this in reality after the novelt wears off.

losing keys can be an expensive and time consummming excercise, in previous times the likelyhood was any alarm keys would be on the same keyring. replacing locks (unless you do this yourself) will take perhaps a couple of days, then there is all the extra keys needed to be cut, tested and destributed - and someone is always missed out.

where as if a tag is lost it can be programmed out buy the 'master code' owner in seconds, restoring at least some form of security very quickly along with insurrance cover most likeley, so for me that is the overriding good reason for tags.

regs

alan

[Guest anguscanplay]

imo tags are a mixed 'bag', they are very easy to use and in my experience Gartecs are pretty reliable, although the panel sometimes 'forgets' one, requiring reprogramming that tag.

part setting imo is very easy with them, offer the tag then after the 'trill' press 1,2 or 3. but where it gets awkward is when the user starts to set but aborts for some reason, this causes the panel to offer "PART SET?" which confusses the user as its not every time they abort, then they can get into a real state or simply press YES leaving half the system off

i generally make the tags 'main users' for the household members and 'user' for holiday keyholders and cleaners etc because then there is no delay in starting to set and less options to fiddle with, should a 'user tag' wish to part set then offer the tag, on starting of exit tone press NO - 1 (or 2 - 3) and wallah!

the security issue with tags is losing it with a bunch of keys in a handbag lift, as a felon would have the method of switchig off the alarm and within the bag the address of the house. but imo that is better than the risk of unauthorised persons being given the code or learning it by shoulder surfing. to keep codes secure best advice is they should be changed at regular intervals - but few do this in reality after the novelt wears off.

losing keys can be an expensive and time consummming excercise, in previous times the likelyhood was any alarm keys would be on the same keyring. replacing locks (unless you do this yourself) will take perhaps a couple of days, then there is all the extra keys needed to be cut, tested and destributed - and someone is always missed out.

where as if a tag is lost it can be programmed out buy the 'master code' owner in seconds, restoring at least some form of security very quickly along with insurrance cover most likeley, so for me that is the overriding good reason for tags.

regs

alan

so your i agreement then?

ps press yes twice then present the tag - "easier " way to part set

[arfur mo]

so your i agreement then?

ps press yes twice then present the tag - "easier " way to part set

Gus, i think we can agree on Gardtec as we both use it. in my case almost exclusively these days, we only differ on the tags.

presing 'yes' 'yes' 'tag' (i think) only gets you Part Set 1 (or what you have proged for auto part set).

following the kiss ethic, i give the user a standard routine for all part sets as imo better than than risk confusing them. it follows the books instructions closer (if they ever read them) i.e. code + 1,2 or 3. or code NO 1,2 or 3.

regs

alan

[Guest anguscanplay]

following the kiss ethic, i give the user a standard routine for all part sets as imo better than than risk confusing them. it follows the books instructions closer (if they ever read them) i.e. code + 1,2 or 3. or code NO 1,2 or 3.

regs

alan

leaave the sarcasm to those who are actually any good at it Arf, you always end up coming off worse, anyway back to the topic

now your getting really confusing

code and 1,2 or 3 against code - no - 1,2, or 3 wheres the simplicity? I`ll bet no one uses more than one part set

[arfur mo]

leaave the sarcasm to those who are actually any good at it Arf, you always end up coming off worse, anyway back to the topic

now your getting really confusing

code and 1,2 or 3 against code - no - 1,2, or 3 wheres the simplicity? I`ll bet no one uses more than one part set

what sarcasm we are in the public section so non was meant - honest,

agreed not all have more than a single part set, i have mainly large houses on my books. so i'd need to remmember who has how manny part sets and who was told what method to use and i'm not getting younger, it if you see what i mean?

where you have other staff a client rings up askes how to Part Set, so your engineer tells them yes. yes. fob could cause isssues if they actually wanted Part Set 2 for a house watcher to stay over, where as if they stick to 'by the book version' it reduces that particular risk.

not saying your wrong to suggest your method, just ingrained from Chubbs indoctrination in me to keep everything 'standard practice' across the board.

regs

alan

[Guest anguscanplay]

what sarcasm we are in the public section so non was meant - honest,

agreed not all have more than a single part set, i have mainly large houses on my books. so i'd need to remmember who has how manny part sets and who was told what method to use and i'm not getting younger, it if you see what i mean?

where you have other staff a client rings up askes how to Part Set, so your engineer tells them yes. yes. fob could cause isssues if they actually wanted Part Set 2 for a house watcher to stay over, where as if they stick to 'by the book version' it reduces that particular risk.

not saying your wrong to suggest your method, just ingrained from Chubbs indoctrination in me to keep everything 'standard practice' across the board.

regs

alan

your looking for problems that don`t exist - back on topic the OP would be just as happy with the 490X as the 595 and save some money into the bargain

[james.wilson]

my 2p, i tend to prefer the simplicity method and to do that you tend to remove flexability and complexity.

ie as a rule we would only use one part set, most people use full set and some form of night only part setting. Granted those that wat to use 8 part sets with groups etc then fine, but most people dont need or want any more than 1.

For example one of my favorite panels ever was a castle panel called the 'smart' was very basic, 9 zones, ID (IDeal in a small dwelling) full and 2 part sets 4 codes No comms etc etc. Anyway in the days when you could use quickset (pre en) you used the a key for All, B for Bed and D for Dog (C was chime and didnt work well for cats lol)

Or you could use Code and Gate (#) when going out the gate or code and * for part as there are stars at night

Worked very successfully. In fact loved it havnt found anything as easy to use as the old castles still.

James