Cctv System

[kensplace]

Chances are without proper external detection systems (say pirs, like a redwall or something else like beams), you will end up using motion detection and get sick of false alerts, eventually not bothering to watch the footage as its probably only some litter blowing past, or a animal or bird/shrubbery/tree etc setting of the motion detection.

Then some scroat will break in and steal your cctv system as well as your belongings.

You may be able to store footage of motion alerts on a remote site, but more than likely it will be at a reduced resolution or frame rate. Plus if they get your system they may be able to figure out how to delete the remote footage (although most thieves would not have enough brain cells to do that)

Any remote storage would also be dependant on your telephone line staying intact, and also you would need a hefty uniteruptable power supply to cover power cuts.

50m is a long range to cover, and the problems are heightened if you want night coverage as you will probably need extra lighting, either normal or infra-red. One camera will only cover a small area in enough details for identification, unless you go megapixel or ptz (which would require monitoring and live control to be of any benefit).

You would either need to cover one 'choke point' that someone HAS to pass through to gain entry, or use multiple cameras if there is more than one way up to the property. Unless you just want a overview of what happened but not enough detail to figure out who it was.

If you have not got a monitored alarm, then I would go that route first, or at the least be prepared to spend more than 500 on a really good dvr, and some external lighting, and good day/night cams. Avoid any foreign chinese etc junk on ebay, and high street/large diy warehouse kits. Go for good brands like panasonic, samsung, pelco, dennard etc etc (to many to list) if you want stuff that lasts and gives good results. But remember there is a lot of c##p out there, and the specs on a lot of cctv stuff are misleading at best....

[satsuma01]

http://www.ntic.com.tw/specification/J2000D-16T2.htm

This is the 1 i use on domestics and some commercials as it works a treat and is a good cost aswell, JPEG so good reliability

[ilkie]

I'm no CCTV or security expert Rob101 but with the break in you've had and what you've explained about you rural local I'd be fitting physical security to the garage, shed & house then dummy bellbox & cctv cameras for that

[macky872]

All the post done already are right reactive measures can impact on future theft, Get a IR camera and fit it to a video that records on Long play , save your money on DVR`s and computer cards. Fit a average cam which will come with around 10 - 15 mtr range of total darkness. fitted loads and they do work in detecting people but this cam will diter people when they see it.

[Chorlton]

All the post done already are right reactive measures can impact on future theft, Get a IR camera and fit it to a video that records on Long play , save your money on DVR`s and computer cards. Fit a average cam which will come with around 10 - 15 mtr range of total darkness. fitted loads and they do work in detecting people but this cam will diter people when they see it.

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[Doktor Jon]

Good point about CCTV not stoping the burglars but presence of CCTV will deter people.

Interesting how the old hands all agree that CCTV should be last on the list, and who am I to disagree

The idea of CCTV providing a tangible deterrence to criminality, may have been a fashionable concept perhaps twenty years ago, but quite frankly nowadays in most situations, it's almost completely busted.

Particularly in rural or isolated locations, visible cameras can frequently have the opposite effect, and actually attract interest from those who are less than attractive.

If you think it might be useful Rob101, a visit from a Crime Reduction Officer / ALO / whatever the local force calls them these days, may be well worth the time.

Ilkie's suggestion of a dog is probably top of my list, although a Bischon Frise may not be the first mutt of choice Gravel, burberis or pyrocanthus bushes, security lighting, timer controlled TV's / radio / room lighting etc.and any number of other complimentary target hardening techniques, will all be far more useful than throwing loads of cash into cameras, but then each layer of security will help to build up your resilience to any further incidents.

I'd tend to agree that after the physical security, possible alarm, and eventually if appropriate visible CCTV to sterilise certain areas, you could consider using covert cameras in key locations (particularly side passages, inside vulnerable rooms etc.) and use a hidden Standalone DVR, rather than a PC (for more reasons than I can bore you with on a Saturday night).

If all else fails and you suffer a further visit, at least the police may be in with a chance of identifying the suspects form the covert cameras, particularly as this type of crime is frequently committed by someone who is both local and known to the chaps in blue.

[NitroN]

Hi,

I agree with the posts, here are a few other points...

1. Computer based DVR's are often resource hungry devices and prefer to be the dedicated application on a PC. Often PC based DVR problems are caused by multitasking on a PC. If you are going to do a PC based DVR, get a dedicated PC for this.

2. Security is not normally enhanced by limiting visability, your solid gate may stop "intruders" from seeing inside your property, but this will also make them more confident inside your property, because no-one can see them once they are inside.

3. Good security comprises of a number of measures:

a. Good security practices. (Even in a home.)

b. Mutilple security measures. i.e Alarm, Physical protection (good locks, good lighting, good glazing, etc.), CCTV, etc.

4. When installing an alarm, consider outdoor detection to compliment your indoor protection.

One last point... Think like a criminal, if you wanted to break in to your home, how would you do it? What would deter you?

If you can't do this, get some quotes from security professionals, preferably from those that specialise in multiple disciplines.

Regards

NitroN

[Rob101]

Now this is the worst part of it all!

I do have a dog and it is the most feared dog you can have from a burglars point of view, a rotweiler

Now the dog was up stairs in the bedroom furthest away asleep and did not hear a thing.

The walls on the house are nearly 3' thick and we have double glazing. The neighbours also have 2 dogs and I did not hear them either. They must have been quiet for the dogs not to bark but how can you jemmy a door quietly?

So this is what I have decided to do.

Buy a 1000 watt light to really light up the garden.

Fit a 40 meter PIR covering the driveway. Hopefully if anyone comes down the drive say 10 meters the light will go off.

Buy a chime that connects to the PIR to alert for movement

Get the new gates up sharpish with tons of barbed wire

This is the pir I am thinking of here I will also buy the internal audible warning equipment (chime) to go with this

I will still fit cctv as this can give me an idea of who the burgler may be.

As soon as the chime goes off rotweiler is sent up garden

The house is ok as the dog is inside, it is just the back garden, garage and shed that is the poblem

Thanks for all the help so far, great forum

Forgot to mention, the road is to the right in picture

[Doktor Jon]

Now if you could train the Rottie to operate the CCTV, you'd really have it cracked

Good luck with your target hardening Rob, and here's hoping you don't have any dodgy's turning up on your doorstep anytime soon.