Help Please 3x Sab Sounders?

[lawandorder]

master blasters no good, should never be relied on as a sounder either.

350`s a multizone panel, fully compliant at the time - the only thing it`s missing is a time date stamp.

if he wants a sounder on each floor and one outside whats the problem .............. ?

I agree, master blasters are loud but who would rely on a sounder that you can stop with a pencil and that rely on mains power?

I see no problem with additional sounders and in a sense if you are on a limted budget it can be wiser to spend that money on additional sounders rather than a better panel.

[james.wilson]

agreed on master blasters, work great if not jammed or mains off.

Dont think that 3 sounders is out the way and if it was high risk audible only would be useless.

3 sounders aint gonna be that much louder anyway. perhaps he just wants one one 3 elevantions

James

[lawandorder]

agreed on master blasters, work great if not jammed or mains off.

Dont think that 3 sounders is out the way and if it was high risk audible only would be useless.

3 sounders aint gonna be that much louder anyway. perhaps he just wants one one 3 elevantions

James

Bear in mind the OP is fitting 2 of these sounders internally and there is a lot to be said for internal sounders.

I used to fit a lot in commercial premises specified by security managers who knew that even with remote signalling there is always a delay before the police attend and they also knew that a standard remote speaker wouldn't survive an attack on the panel.

[DaleR]

Tbh, i've got a SAB inside as well as outside, You would not want to stay in there when thats going off or it will certainly stop them thinking properly,

I think they can be very effective inside.

[lawandorder]

Tbh, i've got a SAB inside as well as outside, You would not want to stay in there when thats going off or it will certainly stop them thinking properly,

I think they can be very effective inside.

I think internal sounders are a good deterrent, many people ignore external sounders or at least they do until they get fed up with the noise and complain.

Internals on the other hand prevent a burglar from hearing anybody approaching and they don't like it.

Traditionally internals are easily defeated but a well located self activating internal even in a domestic is a good addition IMHO.

We used to fit Aritech AS390s in steel clad farm buildings, they were painfully loud.

[james.wilson]

agreed but an sab on the landing aint gonna be so pretty

[arfur mo]

I think internal sounders are a good deterrent, many people ignore external sounders or at least they do until they get fed up with the noise and complain.

Internals on the other hand prevent a burglar from hearing anybody approaching and they don't like it.

Traditionally internals are easily defeated but a well located self activating internal even in a domestic is a good addition IMHO.

We used to fit Aritech AS390s in steel clad farm buildings, they were painfully loud.

some valid points which need to be gauged in line with the perceived risks.

this is a 'bells only' system, so by default i'm assuming not high risk protection i.e. as a tobaconists, jewellers or higher rent home would be.

so in my 'logic' without seeing this site, indicates the type of intruder will most likely be a quick 'in and out', the opertunist, if i'm right they are going smash a window, run in grab the flat screen and be gone, they won't care much about hearing or not foot steps, so will not matter how loud the internals, it will have very little effect on them.

by all means go with so many hi power internals - no law against it (apart from the noise abaitment act), remmember if the panel fails you might need some ear defenders to get anywhere near enough to fix it or to turn it off. better leave a few sets in the hall then.

now look at real life, what if o/p is not available? others will be either stuck inside with this eccesive racket or not stay inside leaving it a greater risk of loss..

accepting most activations (fortunately or otherwise) are false alarms, errors faults whatever. so a very loud system firing more than a couple of times will rapidly loose respect as "just another false alarm" thinking being "i wish they would just fix so can have some sleepor watch telly in peace" it's this attitude where windows get closed until it stops instead of police or owner being phoned.

so if i'm wrong and admit i just might be , then the o/p needs a better system than bells only (no matter how many internals), and yes then i can see a far better justification for more noise internally - but then if i'm right...............

o/p has come in here for advice, so advice he has got with diferring opinions, but t least he has broaden his grounds to make a better decission based on that diversity.

regs

alan

[Chorlton]

Im wanting to connect 3 sounders all in SAB mode, i have an additional power supply. Any one got a wiring diagram? Its a guardtec 350+ panel, guardsound 2 internal sab/scb sounders and 1 external sounder with strobe.

Getting back on topic

C.

[nobbynobnob]

Sorry for not getting back so quick. I have a couple of sheds side by side, the 350 is already in place with a remote keypad in the house. The plan is to add another 350 keypad in the new shed with 1x sounder external then a guardsound 2 in each shed, to try and keep random scroats out, with shockguards on the doors at the locks as this is what I have in the original shed and has worked well (scroat free) for the last 12 years. Maximum noise for a short period at minmum cost is the aim. Ive had dealings in systems around 12 or so years ago but little since (electrician).

What about the the diagram here to get them all in SAB?

[Guest anguscanplay]

agreed but an sab on the landing aint gonna be so pretty

the risco internal sab is a neat unit .......... but i couldnt find a piccy to post.

Arf - your argument for NOT having internal sounders, well you might as well not put the fuse in at all then ... arguing for arguings sake IMO

What about the the diagram here to get them all in SAB?

close - but DONT conenct the 12v between the power pack and the panel, just the 0V

power is from the power pack, trigger (switch for you sparkies LOL) is from the panel