Yale Ain't So Bad

[fastalarms]

Hi this is my first post here and to be honest after viewing the forum it is likely to be a baptism of fire.

I would like to give a more subjective opinion of the current range of YALE security alarms than I see posted on these pages.

I have been installing YALE wirefree alarms for just over 8 months.

If anyone will have an idea about how reliable these systems are then I volunteer other than YALE development staff to know as much as anybody, so what has it been like?

I have installed over 80 YALE systems a more or less 50/50 split between the 6200 and 6400.

They have been installed in everything from a council flat to a large detatched house ranging from a system with just one door contact and two pir's and a siren to auto dialling systems with two SAB's, two linked smoke detectors , four keyfobs ,a remoted kepad, five Pet friendly PIR's and five standard PIRs with space for a few more zones too.

When I install these systems I give 12 months parts and labour warranty.

So , I guess you are all wondering how I am getting any sleep with all those systems malfunctioning all over the place , failing and generally giving both the owners and myself a distinctly hard time.

The truth is they haven't.

In all from the 80 system I have fitted I have only had to attend to the following faults. I x external siren that bleeped with the battery fail warning despite being new. (Replaced by YALE foc , even got a couple of free PIR's for good will). and a remote keypad that had supposedly failed. (I noticed teeth marks on the unit and a guilty looking dog.) I still replaced the unit at my cost for good PR.

Any other problems..... Well of course CATS... only twice but both times the cats were getting too close to the PET FRIENDLY sensors. One as it came downstairs and I had mounted the Hall sensor too close to the treads and one wher a cat actually went to sleep on a bookshelf next to the sensor... how it got up there?

Two more problems were both caused by door contacts. The spring of the tamper sensor pushing the contact from the doorframe when the adhesive had absorbed moisture. (All contacts are screwed in now) one from cooking steam the other by wicking moisture through a wooden door frame that wasn't painted.)

I have only had one customer burgled since the alarms were fitted and the alarm functioned as specified bringing his neighboour out. Sadly the neighbour believed the gentlemen in the back garden who were dressed as and claimed to be security guards checking the house...you can guess the rest.

So there is experience from the other side of the fence.

I have all the tools neccessary to complete the tasks needed and work in a professional and friendly way. I also have fitted to refered customers.

I know you will say.. they are rubbish and get a NACOSS alarm.

My local police won't endorse me as I am not NACOSS.

The truth is not everyone can afford a NACOSS fitted alarm and ironically they live in the highest crime areas.Not many 86 year old ladies living alone can climb ladders either so I am providing a neccessary public service.

I also know how to fit properly preventing the errors a first time DIYer would commit before taking the system back to the shop saying it didn't work.

So ther you have it..

I have a feeling this could be a long thread...

[Cubit]

So, your point is???

[fastalarms]

So, your point is???

It's just a subjective and quite objective view to counter the kind of remarks that seem to come readily on these forums whenever YALE are mentioned.

I suspect YALE have not been prosecuted under the sale of goods act..

[Guest RJBsec]

I also know how to fit properly preventing the errors a first time DIYer would commit

Really?

CATS... only twice but both times the cats were getting too close to the PET FRIENDLY sensors. One as it came downstairs and I had mounted the Hall sensor too close to the treads and one wher a cat actually went to sleep on a bookshelf next to the sensor... how it got up there?

Two more problems were both caused by door contacts. The spring of the tamper sensor pushing the contact from the doorframe when the adhesive had absorbed moisture. (All contacts are screwed in now) one from cooking steam the other by wicking moisture through a wooden door frame that wasn't painted.)

Oops!

I know you will say.. they are rubbish and get a NACOSS alarm.

Funnily enough no, I never recommend NACOSS

[Alarm Protection]

Cant wait untill you have 500 of these systems out lol!

[james.wilson]

i think the issue isnt the fact the work well enough in a diy environment im sure they do. But for little or no more there are far far supiriour systems available. All id say is why by a product designed to be easy as oppossed to one that designed to do a set job as its main objective. DO yourself a favour and look at the decent pro systems you can buy and still install yourself if you want.

James

[BASS]

I wouldn't fit a yale system even if it was compliant. I love ripping them down and dropping them off at a tip when we install one of our alarms. With yale equipment you don't get options compared to the panels we use. For instances double knocking a zone or if we get false alarms from a zone (very rare) we can put on a soak test period. Alarm panels compared to yale have a long life battrey span enabling to keep the system going in event of a mains failure. Also with yale system you can only use there Pir equipment with conventional alarm panels you can use most of any alarming equipment where needed. So I'm sorry I don't share your views on this.

[fastalarms]

I wouldn't fit a yale system even if it was compliant. I love ripping them down and dropping them off at a tip when we install one of our alarms. With yale equipment you don't get options compared to the panels we use. For instances double knocking a zone or if we get false alarms from a zone (very rare) we can put on a soak test period. Alarm panels compared to yale have a long life battrey span enabling to keep the system going in event of a mains failure. Also with yale system you can only use there Pir equipment with conventional alarm panels you can use most of any alarming equipment where needed. So I'm sorry I don't share your views on this.

The YALE panel gives 10hrs standby.

Ok the fault log is only 30 items but its enough to spot a fault reoccuring. Fortunately I have only ever had to read a fault log once.

It was mentioned what if I had 500 out..

Its a fair point. However if I had say 8 of the 80 giving problems I would expect 50 of the 500 giving trouble too but since none of the current 80 give trouble I would be happy to have 500 out without a worry.

There are foibles I have discovered that are not in the manual but I know how to work around these.

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As for installing other systems. I am currently looking at what else to add to my installation menu.. the scantronic ion16 looks good. The pwermax also looks ok other than the need for the 240v for the siren. Putting spurs in downstairs near the supply is no problem. trying to find a ring main in an attic is altogether different.

I am shocked at how much the systems add up to in parts alone. I guess I have found the best provider for the ion16 but its still

[dmalone]

So, your point is???

i also have installed five of these yale systems and not had one call back if you ask me they are spot on and only bad if the installer doesnt know how to install them properly . first time install a few problems but purely self inflicted........ i say yes to yale

[Alarm Protection]

50 Alarms giving you trouble out of 500 is not very good if you ask me.

Come on somebody has to say it............they are junk!