norman Posted February 24, 2011 Posted February 24, 2011 I reckon you would need more than a 10 second clip though Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool.
alterEGO Posted February 24, 2011 Posted February 24, 2011 I reckon you would need more than a 10 second clip though depends how quick/slow it is to transmit after activation.
norman Posted February 24, 2011 Posted February 24, 2011 what happens after the 10 second clip? is it spent or does it re-tx? 20 secs minimum I reckon. Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool.
IPAlarms Posted February 25, 2011 Posted February 25, 2011 You get your 10 second clip and that's it. They use the GSM network, so it's not quick. Oh - and it's expensive when you consider you can use an IP Camera for under 100 quid and get much better results. It's seems like it's only really useful where IP is not available. Free Alarm Monitoring over the Internet from IP Alarms
videofieduk Posted February 25, 2011 Posted February 25, 2011 The monitoring station get an initial 10 second video clip over the GPRS network. Remember this is video verification of an alarm not CCTV. Feedback on the length of the video clip varies, some people want longer others want less so at some point the decision was made to make it a 10 second clip. The in-built video camera starts up immediately after the PIR triggers so the first few seconds are actually the most important. The monitoring station operator effectively gets to see what triggered the alarm. The PIR camera will trigger about every 3 minutes and send 10 second video clips if there is continued movement. Any system can also have up to 24 PIR cameras so 10 second video clips will also be sent from any other PIRs that have a detection. You can get a decent quality IP camera for less, but obviously costs start to mount up once you add detection, etc. The control panel is also battery operated so it doesn't need power as with IP. A lot of the applications we are finding are also outdoors. The alarm market is obviously pretty flat at the moment so Videofied potentially offers installers the opportunity to get into some niche markets, e.g. metal theft, construction, vacant property protection. It also offers the opportunity to go back to some existing customers and offer a video upgrade (there is a panel that can be armed by a 12v input from an existing panel, e.g a Galaxy). Just to build on the credibility side as there are obviously some people out there who think it is a bit Mickey Mouse - the system is monitored by some of the UK's leading monitoring stations, including Southern & Northern Monitoring, EMCS, Custodian/RVR, Reliance, UK Monitoring, and Securitas Alert Services. It is also being installed by some big players in the UK who have put the system through tests before endorsing it (am happy to provide details on a 1 to 1 basis). uksales@rsivideotech.com www.videofied.com
PeterJames Posted February 25, 2011 Posted February 25, 2011 I dont like to ague but.... The monitoring station get an initial 10 second video clip over the GPRS network. Remember this is video verification of an alarm not CCTV. Feedback on the length of the video clip varies, some people want longer others want less so at some point the decision was made to make it a 10 second clip. The in-built video camera starts up immediately after the PIR triggers so the first few seconds are actually the most important. The monitoring station operator effectively gets to see what triggered the alarm. The PIR camera will trigger about every 3 minutes and send 10 second video clips if there is continued movement. Any system can also have up to 24 PIR cameras so 10 second video clips will also be sent from any other PIRs that have a detection. I would of said the five seconds before the pir triggered would be most important, if the camera doesnt start recording until the the pir triggers there is a potential that whatever it was had gone (of course it depends on where you mount the pir/camera) You can get a decent quality IP camera for less, but obviously costs start to mount up once you add detection, etc. The control panel is also battery operated so it doesn't need power as with IP. A lot of the applications we are finding are also outdoors. The battery operation is the niche, how long does it last? The alarm market is obviously pretty flat at the moment so Videofied potentially offers installers the opportunity to get into some niche markets, e.g. metal theft, construction, vacant property protection. It also offers the opportunity to go back to some existing customers and offer a video upgrade (there is a panel that can be armed by a 12v input from an existing panel, e.g a Galaxy). The alarm market is busier than ever, as always in a recession crime goes up so does sales, Ive taken on an extra chap and using subbies regularly but still have a two week lead time, but I agree videofied could provide an extra bow to our string Just to build on the credibility side as there are obviously some people out there who think it is a bit Mickey Mouse - the system is monitored by some of the UK's leading monitoring stations, including Southern & Northern Monitoring, EMCS, Custodian/RVR, Reliance, UK Monitoring, and Securitas Alert Services. It is also being installed by some big players in the UK who have put the system through tests before endorsing it (am happy to provide details on a 1 to 1 basis).I think the comments are based on the looks of the equipment and the crappy looking pdfs and website etc but hey look who's talking some would say my website looks **** too, (the may be a bit of judging the book by the cover but I wouldnt do that) I dont think anyone is actually saying that it doesnt or wont work, Im keen to see the kit in operation I believe/hope there is a market for it, oh BTW I dont rate any of the ARC's mentioned, I definitely wouldnt use them as an example of how good you are, though to be fair Ive never had anything to do with Northern Monitoring so I cant comment on them
james.wilson Posted February 25, 2011 Posted February 25, 2011 id have to agree with most of petes comments there securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount.
norman Posted February 26, 2011 Posted February 26, 2011 apart from the bow to his string, I would also. Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool.
videofieduk Posted February 28, 2011 Posted February 28, 2011 I'm not sure if Norman's quote refers to this discussion, but it's a good quote! Since the PIR and the integrated camera have the same field of view and the camera starts up within milliseconds of the detection the camera shouldn't miss anything. Battery life is typically 4 years for internal devices and approximately 2 years for external devices, but a critical factor is obviously the number of detections. Another way of looking at it is that a PIR camera can manage about 3,000 detections on one set of batteries (lithium). The devices themselves are bi-directional so they do not detect if the system is disarmed (remember this is an alarm system with video verification, not CCTV). uksales@rsivideotech.com www.videofied.com
Alarm Protection Posted February 28, 2011 Posted February 28, 2011 Please could you give me details to get in contact. I possibly could have a customer that is interested. Do you have a rep in scotland? We are showing the Adpro Presidium unit next thursday and i wandered if your rep would show your unit? We also do void property protection and i can see the advantage of video aswell as an alarm. If this unit does what is says then there is a great deal of construction/empty property out there for the taking. !
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