arfur mo Posted May 27, 2010 Posted May 27, 2010 if like me you use small electric drivers, and were not aware such thing existed as impact screwdrivers - be educated now. recently on a site carpenters were laying flooring sheets, making a bit of a din running screws in, i'd assumed they were using the torque settings. then i noticed they were not piloting 1st, but drivng screws straight through the MDF into the joyce. having boarded my loft a few years back i was pretty impressed and asked if they were specially hardened screws, got shown this magic bit of kit. they were using,a Makita impact driver. before anyone posts a sneer, these must have been around for ages but i've never noticed them and so bet other engineers are the same. obviously, the advantages are of being able to drive screws into hard surfaces with so little effort making it a lot easier was not lost on me, i'm no shrinking vioet bt using one of these i like having an all in wrestlers stregnth powering the driver bit. the impact action if you don't know, is used when tyres are fitted, the speed gun taps not forces the wheel nutts off, or on. doing so at speed, so this is a smaller version of the speed gun and akin to taping a 'T' bar around with a hammer or mallet to release or secure a tight nut or bolt.. when you drive home a screw using a normal drill fitted with a tip, it will try to lever out as the screw gets tighter, often stripping it out. but this method bangs the screw round, then releases the pressure at spead, so the tip has less chance of levering out and then skidding leaving you to drill out the screw. you can't abuse it as it will eventually behead the screw, but to go that far would be plain daft. i've used them to drive bolts and nutt wen installing wall mounted camera brackets, also to relase rusted bolts on flood lights when changing bulbs, they really are worth their weight. since 'discoverng' them, i've bought a S/H 12 volt makita impact driver for the heavier duty work, a small Black & Decker impact driver (model now discontinued), i bought cheap on offer at Homebase for my tool bag, and a B&Q own brand impact driver grabded for £12.00, spotted in an end of line sale, tbh i would not leave home without them, and compliment the Bosch UNEO i mention in another thread. Regs Arfur Mo regs Arfur Mo If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!!
Guest RJBsec Posted May 27, 2010 Posted May 27, 2010 Got an Hitatchi impact driver, fantastic piece of kit which screws into anything - only failure is when the screw can't cope and breaks off - not cheap though!
Cubit Posted May 27, 2010 Posted May 27, 2010 I too have a makita impact driver, the BTD140 Use it regularly. Brilliant with Tek screws, although, as Rodger says, they can go through the screw bits for fun. Well worth it though.
arfur mo Posted May 27, 2010 Author Posted May 27, 2010 such a really good tool, surprising they are not pushed more. the two smaller ones i use are ideal for having less risk of beheading the screws. tbh ideal for detectors, you don' t really need hammer that often, and when the walls soft you don't make a ruddy big hole and have to shove a 2" x 10 in it. in Wilkinsons, i got a very miniture ash pan and brush, just ideal to have in the bag, hold underneath and catch the dust. also i got a neat little unit made by Kartcher, has 2 aa batteries and when switched on sucks onto the wall leaving both hands free, hole in top which drill passed through and catches the dust in a little pocket, real natty and time saving, just ned to remember to wipe the rubber seal to stop it marking the emulsion painted walls on net hole. when i look back to when just having a 15 feet long yankee screwdriver made by stanley with obligatory jubilee clip around the barrel, meant you were a top intsalltion man working on bonus, you just realise how things have moved on. regs Arfur Mo If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!!
james.wilson Posted May 27, 2010 Posted May 27, 2010 hang on You use these things to put passives up? Dont they damage or bend the backplate. Also am i missunderstanding this, do you drill and plug or just 'impact' a special screw in? securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount.
Cubit Posted May 27, 2010 Posted May 27, 2010 hang on You use these things to put passives up? Dont they damage or bend the backplate. Also am i missunderstanding this, do you drill and plug or just 'impact' a special screw in? Just wack the bassa's in. As i said. Absolutely brilliant with tek screws, However, defitely NOT for light work.
Guest Oxo Posted May 27, 2010 Posted May 27, 2010 Now i`m all for power tools but I always fit Pir`s and other assortments like them with a screwdriver ( hand one the old variety) you tend to have some feel as to the grip afforded. Power tools for holes, screwdrivers to fix.
arfur mo Posted May 27, 2010 Author Posted May 27, 2010 hang on You use these things to put passives up? Dont they damage or bend the backplate. Also am i missunderstanding this, do you drill and plug or just 'impact' a special screw in? oh! ruddy hell!!!!, where on earth did i say i used one to actually screw up the detector? i use iton bells and panels METAL ONES!!!! why is it anyone jumps in to think the worst of me, here i am offering my best side (oih! i heard that - who said that's the one at the back?) honest guys i've only got 40 years in this trade, and get asked THAT! are you rally serious James? or do you actually need instructions on how to use tools and install like a proper pro? for your and others information - but i bet hope most know already, 1) i drill the holes in the WALL having marked it 1st. 2) i fit the plugs into the holes (the ones i just drilled into the wall - i have to be very clear here) WALL 3) i then use a neon sorry, really sorry lads 3a) i then use a philips driver (thats better) to fit the screw think i can feel the wobally round table moment coming on regs Arfur Mo If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!!
MrHappy Posted May 27, 2010 Posted May 27, 2010 don't really have use for one, but be warned that anything you use with it has to be man enough to coper eg impact sockets rather than a nice normal chrome one! also it you want one, buy one that used the same battery system as your cordless drill as you can get a naked makita for 80 notes or so for your and others information - but i bet hope most know already, 1) i drill the holes in the WALL having marked it 1st. 2) i fit the plugs into the holes (the ones i just drilled into the wall - i have to be very clear here) WALL 3) i then use a neon sorry, really sorry lads 3a) i then use a philips driver (thats better) to fit the screw think i can feel the wobally round table moment coming on arf many know what to do, it getting people that can be arsed to do it better than half right......... Mr Veritas God
james.wilson Posted May 27, 2010 Posted May 27, 2010 oh! ruddy hell!!!!, where on earth did i say i used one to actually screw up the detector? i use iton bells and panels METAL ONES!!!! why is it anyone jumps in to think the worst of me, here i am offering my best side (oih! i heard that - who said that's the one at the back?) honest guys i've only got 40 years in this trade, and get asked THAT! are you rally serious James? or do you actually need instructions on how to use tools and install like a proper pro? for your and others information - but i bet hope most know already, 1) i drill the holes in the WALL having marked it 1st. 2) i fit the plugs into the holes (the ones i just drilled into the wall - i have to be very clear here) WALL 3) i then use a neon sorry, really sorry lads 3a) i then use a philips driver (thats better) to fit the screw think i can feel the wobally round table moment coming on regs Arfur Mo lol I see now. securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount.
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