Direct Response Security On Rogue Traders

[james.wilson]

//Arf just can't quite see how it would make Police response any quicker -or the siren sound any faster .//

It wouldnt.

I well designed system over a poor designed system would, but thats nowt to do with what we are discussing now.

[norman]

but thats nowt to do with what we are discussing now.

as if that matters.

[arfur mo]

It wouldnt.

I well designed system over a poor designed system would, but thats nowt to do with what we are discussing now.

sorry for my 'humour escaping' moment.

Arfur

[Guest Oxo]

So do SSAIB, what do you lot think SSAIB check lol?

Where did I mention SSAIB?

I was merely commenting on how I see Silver "badged" companies.

Please don't confuse me with others attitudes in this thread.

I have taken over NSI systems that were poor as well as SSAIB ones just as bad. Yet I have seen jobs I would be proud to put my name to.

[alterEGO]

Where did I mention SSAIB?

I was merely commenting on how I see Silver "badged" companies.

Please don't confuse me with others attitudes in this thread.

I have taken over NSI systems that were poor as well as SSAIB ones just as bad. Yet I have seen jobs I would be proud to put my name to.

I wasn't having a go mate.

Jef said: 'Seems NSI Silver is nothing more then SSAIB' or something along those lines

You said (Quoting his post): 'Not really, Silver has the same audits as Gold, only difference is they do not use ISO. They still do all the stats for FA management ect.'

I'm not fussed, hence the 'lol' in my post.

[Guest Oxo]

Yeah I noticed the lol. I was just making it clear I wasn't getting into that old "who is better than thou" argument.

No offence was taken nor intended.

[PeterJames]

Ho Peter,

The Company is allowed to use sub-contract personnel, provided that final inspection and handover to the customer are carried out by a member of staff (proprietors, directors and PAYE employees) of the Systems Silver Approved Company (or of some other Systems Silver Approved Company), or by an established and long-standing sub-contract person having knowledge and experience of the Company’s standards, procedures, practices etc, and whose work is routinely subject to documented internal audit by the Company.

** Maintenance

The Company is allowed to use any suitable sub-contract person for carrying out maintenance activities, provided that he or she is an established and long- standing sub-contract person having knowledge and experience of the Company’s standards, procedures, practices etc, and whose work is routinely subject to documented internal audit by the Company.”

was what i'm referring to, suitable in this context is far to wide a reference imo.

(or of some other Systems Silver Approved Company)

that bit just fascinates me, while i'm sure many stay Silver for there own very valid reasons, others just coming into the scheme after a very short trading periodwill have little or no experience, yet another inexperienced company could still use them , it realyy could be the blind leading the blind, even granted both Silvers working with all best intentions.

would it not be better to insist on a Gold Co employee from perhaps a buddie company to help improve the Silvers standards along the way?

Arfur

perhaps the level of ongoing staff/engineer training for Golds more stringent?

just thinking of the inference a general member of the public might assume i.e. bit like cars. naturally aspirated or Turbo being the quicker version.

Arfur

//Arf just can't quite see how it would make Police response any quicker -or the siren sound any faster .//

Your quoting the statement under the heading of installing, read it again, under the heading of surveying it is quite clear.

** Surveying, Designing, Specifying, and Pre-Contract Negotiations

These tasks (on site) are restricted to the staff personnel (proprietors, directors and PAYE employees) of the Systems Silver Approved Company (or of some other Systems Silver Approved Company)

This is the point I pointed out to NSI and what they are investigating, we are not accusing them of using sub contractors for installing or maintenance, nor are they advertising that they do on their website.

[PeterJames]

Nothing Cryptic Pete. By definition, the use of 'will' is equally misleading as the above argument shows.

If your statement had come from the Acpo Policy I could see your point, but because it doesn't you don't have a point.

It was only a brain tease all the while I thought it was something it wasnt, now I know its not an official statement on the ACPO policy it means nothing, they cant guarantee Police Response, even if you qualify it with will if the Police cant make it they wont come simple.

[Cubit]

If your statement had come from the Acpo Policy I could see your point, but because it doesn't you don't have a point.

It was only a brain tease all the while I thought it was something it wasnt, now I know its not an official statement on the ACPO policy it means nothing, they cant guarantee Police Response, even if you qualify it with will if the Police cant make it they wont come simple.

I do have a very serious point. Accredited companies are openly passing judgement on DR regarding their website when perhaps they are in no position to do so. IE, they are just as guilty as DR.

Not a brain tease either.

The statement comes from at least one site with Gold Badge on it.

[arfur mo]

Your quoting the statement under the heading of installing, read it again, under the heading of surveying it is quite clear.

** Surveying, Designing, Specifying, and Pre-Contract Negotiations

Your quoting the statement under the heading of installing, read it again, under the heading of surveying it is quite clear.

ok, direct copy and past from your post -:

** Surveying, Designing, Specifying, and Pre-Contract Negotiations

These tasks (on site) are restricted to the staff personnel (proprietors, directors and PAYE employees) of the Systems Silver Approved Company (or of some other Systems Silver Approved Company).

(For the purposes of this requirement “site” means the location or premises supervised (or to be supervised) by the security system (or proposed security system), or other location or premises occupied by the customer or prospective customer.)

sorry if might be my mis-understanding, to be perfectly clear i'm not laying traps or referring to anything other than the O/P's intended position. i'm interested as i think some time back using subbies for anything was frowned on oter than running cables in - but no action taken though afaik lol!.

as example say you used me for a project in Essex. i still read it as i'm working sub contract. i can design the project in your companies office, even in their.my car in a road next door, or thinking about it in in a cafe around the corner to the site, but i cannot design actually on 'the site', seems to me from above anyway?.

my take is you cannot work in on site sales without an element of design input, if i'm right making a self employed project manager 'illegitimate' to use for these purposes by all registered companies, 'on site' according to the regs.

my understanding (if right), it's just to easy to get around because they state 'the site' as the only 'no go' area for a subbie to advise, so anywhere else 'off site' is fine, leaving room to drive a coach, horses and billy the kid though.

Arfur

I think you`ve missed the point there Alan, the original offer was to send you a genuine quote pack so you could see for yourself what is and what isnt included.

We all know your details, i just wondered if you would put your money where your mouth is.

We never expected you to ............ says a lot really, doesnt it?

given your obvious 'problem boy' attitude, coupled with unfounded insults to al and sundry you can't bully, where even the mods have publicly rebuked you, why would sending me your contract sample make a jot of difference to me - tbph could i even respect it as valid or respect - even by yourself?

Arfur

//Arf suggests - get yourself a heart beat real quick -as your dying on you ass in here//