Motorising A 5 Point Locking Door - Idea's Please

[IAS]

what about that PAC "all in one" cylinder replacment reader lock thing? Could you adapt that?

[Cubit]

Dont suppose the frames wide enough for two flush mags mounted vertically is it ?

Like sometimes fitted to the entrnce to blocks of flats on dodgy areas. Have to be careful though, I got collared by a resident of one we'd done that way once. He was moving house and they couldnt get the washing machine out through the reduced gap..lol

Hoi!

Behave yerself. He was referring to a uPVC door. Don't even go there Col.

Good point subs - there would really have to be some sort of failsafe on it in the event of say a fire.

doable with a powered lock and suitable PSU all under DDA.

But i wouldn't be putting my name to it with the motor being within the door. Small matter of door loop to consider. Definitely not foolproof.

Thats why recommended first option.

Having first hand experience of disabled, if the customer is so severely disabled, it would be unlikely the relevant services would allow him to live alone.

[SUBS]

Hoi!

Behave yerself. He was referring to a uPVC door. Don't even go there Col.

doable with a powered lock and suitable PSU all under DDA.

But i wouldn't be putting my name to it with the motor being within the door. Small matter of door loop to consider. Definitely not foolproof.

Thats why recommended first option.

Having first hand experience of disabled, if the customer is so severely disabled, it would be unlikely the relevant services would allow him to live alone.

Definitely wouldnt with a DIY homemade unlocking mechanism. Wouldnt sleep again !

[arfur mo]

You need to speak to door peeps Arf. They will have their preferred mechanical lock. If door not made yet then tell them to hold off until you have one. Many different styles - obviously. They may even already know of one from their current supplier.

Have a look at GU

Thanks Andrew,

it's actually the door makers owner who invited me to help him out, it might be he is not sure of the disabled controls bit and interfacing with operating the door fom the chair, the end client is a long time personal friend of his (apparently).

unfortunately the door maker guy is away on holiday at the moment, he only contacted me the Friday before he flew out on the Tuesday morning, so to a degree i'm working blind until he returns, from what i know of his normal work, he likely won't have a contact for automating this locking system.

if i'm honest, i'm a bit annoyed with my contact, the end user has been pestering him to do this job for some time now, but for what ever reason he has seemingly dragged his feet. so i'm angry on the end users behalf (perhaps i'm crazy - but i can live with that). although not really my business, given his problems he has to rely on his family and friends who should return that faith and friendship in spades, but has imo been left in the lurch.

with this type of situation i'd bet you, and i know i can''t help it but lead with emotion to put right, especially having now met him. he really is a person i just find so easy to admire, i know if i were me in that chair, i'd really want even beg for the 'easy' way out.

can you please enlarge on GU as to short to google

Arfur

Spal make automotive window kits, we used to fit them back in the day.

I'll have a look for a link.

http://www.spalautom...RSION_KITS.html

Thanks Oxford, a very handy link and on the lnes of otions i was thinking of, motor would need to have a high torque so low gearing

and how i remember these from my youth and owning my 1st set of 4 wheels, stuck some on a Morris Minor Van i'd bought for a tenner - though i was the earliest 'king of bling' .

Arfur

[arfur mo]

Good point subs - there would really have to be some sort of failsafe on it in the event of say a fire.

i have been chewing this concern over the design, there's going to be an mergency resetble break glass switch near the door, hopefully any final mod will allow egress by handle, but that won't help him personally if alone.

the standard maglocks would not work out, simply not enough room,mini mags to easy to barge open. thus far i think sheer mags or fail safe drop solenoid lockss are possibly the best option, but concerned about side pressure and warping of the frameif there is a fire near the doorway.

so a motorised fail safe lock might be the best option, i used one designed and certified for American State Prison Cells about 15 years ago, and i could not stop it operating by side pressure no matter what.

obviously very high quality, powerful and it will work 'fail safe', but also seriously expensive, iirc £900.00 at the time

Arfur

[Cubit]

Arf

Have a look here: http://www.locksonline.co.uk/acatalog/GU_Ferco.html

The lock itself can be replaced for a split version so that you still get the benefits of the multipoint locking at night but during the day you simply press the RTE or present a suitable prox token. Electric strike releases the door.

Meanwhile the exterior handle is disabled for locking purposes.

Locks on line tried to insist i needed the full shaboodle at silly £££s

Strangely they then suggested i speak to a chap up here in the north. He quoted me £75 for replacement lock and strike.

Very odd.

Remember though, the end user will still require the door to be securely locked, not just left to electric access control.

Also, i wouldn't overly worry about the long term problems of customer being alone when parents do one. If he's has disabled has you describe, he won't be left on his own.

[arfur mo]

Dont suppose the frames wide enough for two flush mags mounted vertically is it ?

Like sometimes fitted to the entrnce to blocks of flats on dodgy areas. Have to be careful though, I got collared by a resident of one we'd done that way once. He was moving house and they couldnt get the washing machine out through the reduced gap..lol

lol! all sorts of issues crop up, but that is really an interest imo, his wheelchair passing them could be one here

one option did occure was mount the mags actually on the door with an overlapping plate, then they would not reduce the opening when door swings inwards, but the frame is very narrow and not enough room for the armature/s.

Arfur

[Cubit]

lol! all sorts of issues crop up, but that is really an interest imo, his wheelchair passing them could be one here

one option did occure was mount the mags actually on the door with an overlapping plate, then they would not reduce the opening when door swings inwards, but the frame is very narrow and not enough room for the armature/s.

Arfur

You behave yerself as well.

Mags and pvc is not the best way to go. Especially in a house.

[arfur mo]

what about that PAC "all in one" cylinder replacment reader lock thing? Could you adapt that?

Thanks Paul,

i'd need to check with PAC Tech to be sure as a good call being likely they would have something or know of it.

i know what happens with similar kit is on presenting the card it moves a small pin via a solenoid r electric magnet, that allows the handle to engage the shaft and to turn it, and also allowing long battery life, don't think it power's the loc to drive the action.

Arfur

[IAS]

Thanks Paul,

i'd need to check with PAC Tech to be sure as a good call being likely they would have something or know of it.

i know what happens with similar kit is on presenting the card it moves a small pin via a solenoid r electric magnet, that allows the handle to engage the shaft and to turn it, and also allowing long battery life, don't think it power's the loc to drive the action.

Arfur

realised that as I posted it but decided to leave it - if you could use this the answer then is to find something to replace the handle rather than the lock.

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