One Panel To Rule Them All

[MrHappy]

Must be poor engineers then. One panel wonders?

the skill set can be very varried,

simple things like an sab chaning & ending up needed a resistors or diode to work can end up with quite a knock effect of grief

if your sad enough to spend your evenings chatting alarms you have an interest in the job, i suspect most of us (here) could turn our hand to most electrical / mechanical things & do a fair job?

Judging by the no. of 1 screw holding a pir the wall jobs (I've found by ex staff) I would love to know how this type of "engineer" would get on working in quick fit, would they care at the end of the week when they had a pocket full of spare wheel nuts that they'd killed someone ?

[alterEGO]

the skill set can be very varried,

simple things like an sab chaning & ending up needed a resistors or diode to work can end up with quite a knock effect of grief

if your sad enough to spend your evenings chatting alarms you have an interest in the job, i suspect most of us (here) could turn our hand to most electrical / mechanical things & do a fair job?

Judging by the no. of 1 screw holding a pir the wall jobs (I've found by ex staff) I would love to know how this type of "engineer" would get on working in quick fit, would they care at the end of the week when they had a pocket full of spare wheel nuts that they'd killed someone ?

I was shocked at how poor most engineers are when i started up, not that many out there that have a clue. Then throw in cctv, access etc and it all falls down.

[norman]

I have always said the title 'engineer' is not suitable for 70-80% of people in this trade. I know people who have been 'engineers' for 10+ years and couldn't explain simple electronics some struggle to wire a relay *Bother.

[alterEGO]

I have always said the title 'engineer' is not suitable for 70-80% of people in this trade. I know people who have been 'engineers' for 10+ years and couldn't explain simple electronics some struggle to wire a relay *Bother.

I could live with the relay issue, but i get a little f**ked off when its a door contact!!!!

[Guest Oxo]

LOL but the G3 ones can be tricky even Jeff has had problems with them

[hpotter]

I have noticed within the trade a high percentage of Engineers will find one panel and defend that panel from all criticism even if that criticism is justified could this be wrong?

Your observations are right. But then they dont want the agg of changing. Thinks convincing themselves half the time, or must be good cos its all singing dancing..

YES, depends on the criteria, if it`s a bog standard domestic and a 700L it can stay, if it`s a redcare and a Galaxy it`s out.

Agreed. Basic simples can be swapped out with kit onboard, no need for manual...

We know almost all panels anyway so not to much of a problem, however spares is a pain.

Spares = part of support. & below..

I don't want to send an engineer to a fault 60 miles away and find that he needs a part he hasn't got with him .... so we stick to one range and keep a good stock.

Can get to coast quicker than to London from here (2-3 times the distance), not just about miles, not just about stock. What about the call @ 3am keypad says xyz, need to know the ins & outs without manual to save trip..

We are specialists not jack of all trades.you can't imo know every product that's available fully. Yes you can manage / get by but imo you can't know everything about a product unless you use it everyday and train on it etc. We offer a specialised service. We couldn't do that long term if we different products every week.

Agreed

the skill set can be very varried,

simple things like an sab chaning & ending up needed a resistors or diode to work can end up with quite a knock effect of grief

if your sad enough to spend your evenings chatting alarms you have an interest in the job, i suspect most of us (here) could turn our hand to most electrical / mechanical things & do a fair job?

Judging by the no. of 1 screw holding a pir the wall jobs (I've found by ex staff) I would love to know how this type of "engineer" would get on working in quick fit, would they care at the end of the week when they had a pocket full of spare wheel nuts that they'd killed someone ?

Training on rainy days?

I have always said the title 'engineer' is not suitable for 70-80% of people in this trade. I know people who have been 'engineers' for 10+ years and couldn't explain simple electronics some struggle to wire a relay *Bother.

Yep, this is a poor industry, skills set wise (& otherways) but then some employ engineers & installers.. different badge, different rates. Unfortunately, when housebuilding was good, installers were raking it in, so no point being an engineer..

[MrHappy]

IMHO theres not enough clever kids drawn into the trade, I suspect IT soaks up most of the kids who would have been fellow 12v monkeys in the past ?

Training on rainy days?

no camera jobs, when sun shines....... loft work

[Guest Oxo]

True they see more money in IT than pulling cables about and climbing ladders!

[alterEGO]

Spares = part of support. & below..

I said its a pain, i ment a pain to stock them, but we do stock them.

Most of our systems are in this order from most to least.

1 Risco

2 Texecom (premier 48 and up now our chosen panel)

3 Galaxy

4 Menvier

5 everything else

Panels we don't touch:

ATS

Guardall (most of the time)

Pyronix (excl. castle)

Scantronic if i get my way (one of the lads thinks its ok, tbh we still take it on, i just don't see it much these days)

However, for a 5 or more site contract i would take any of them and get spares and training or swap out at cost if they were small sites.

[MrHappy]

I said its a pain, i ment a pain to stock them, but we do stock them.

got a castle euro from 2003 which is pulling line volts to 8v ?

now I gave my castle away as I was sick of seeing it, I may have spare dig but reckon the boards screwed, I rather give away (if pushed too) a 24, com2400, rkp & xp8 than spend a day in the stores seeing if I had spares or buying in something which may cure it ?