Simon Banks,dualcom Speaks Out Against Web Way One

[james.wilson]

http://www.info4secu...orycode=4125664

Well i suppose they have stopped having a pop at Redcare now.

As the market leader (based on new monthly connections), CSL DualCom welcomes the opportunity to comment on this issue.

Indeed, we would be more than happy to participate in a proper debate between the various stakeholders designed to produce conclusive findings that will help and support bemused security installers.

In my opinion, the WebWayOne follow-up article is a loosely disguised 'advertisement' for its wares. Predictably, it's one-sided and arguably somewhat blinkered.

There's no mention of the British Security Industry Association (BSIA), which has absolutely and publicly distanced itself from LPS 1277. The BSIA doesn't condone LPS. The latter works against the EN standards we've all been striving towards for the last decade and more.

WebWayOne has been trading in the security market for approximately ten years now, and has installed a claimed 18,000 units.

Our customers have connected more CSL products this year. I'm not being arrogant when I say that, but merely illustrating the scale of these companies so that their views do not out-scale reality.

Also having been involved with the discussions surrounding LPS 1277 and the BSIA, my own feelings are that LPS1277 has some merit but needs further refinement. I also dont agree it works again EN, the problem is in this area EN is not robust enough.

Anyone have a link to this 'follow-up' article?

[MrHappy]

We'll only sell IP to retailers who are self-insured and also fully aware of the risks associated with sending their alarm signals via an ISP. If the retailer runs their own robust IT infrastructure then IP signalling is an acceptable solution, although maintenance work (usually undertaken at night) and the 'plug in the wall' powering of routing hardware is a long way removed from EN50131 and fused spurs!

eh ?

[james.wilson]

Having a pop at the fact the router may not be fed from a spur.

[MrHappy]

Having a pop at the fact the router may not be fed from a spur.

& the alarm will?

[alterEGO]

i'm sure i read this months ago?

Just clicked the link, was september, seems longer.

[jb-eye]

& the alarm will?

Me Me Me!

Is it:

1/ No responce

2/ Use the second path

3 Both!

ill go for all three

[james.wilson]

Possibly, But then the pbx feeding the line won't be either.

But afaik web way have a digi based offering too.

[jb-eye]

Possibly, But then the pbx feeding the line won't be either.

But afaik web way have a digi based offering too.

James

What PABX?

If we are trully looking to the future and we loose our IP for whatever reason. Chance will surely be we loose our voice (VOIP) as well. so we have to consider a weaker second path WIRELESS. There you go i said it, a wireless backup in case the hard wired bit fails. Now for the medium GPRS/GSM?

[james.wilson]

I wasn't meaning voip.

I do agree ip is the future and the more I look into gprs the more it seems weak in some implementations. I'm going to run my own availability test of gprs and polling and see how it goes. My phone for instance always shows it has a data connection, but often when I try to use it, it isn't there. If I put the phone into and out of airplane mode it then works. Or if I leave it a few minutes it starts to work again.

I wonder if these gprs com units are constantly shutting down the link and restarting it.

Your recent log from a gprs unit is worrying, we wouldn't know we had an issue as we don't use a digi as well to compare. It's worrying that a digi beat the superior signalling system.

[james.wilson]

Aaron

Your right on the date, didnt notice, it was in a marketing email from csl i got yesterday. Hadnt seen the article myself until then

I assume this

http://www.info4security.com/story.asp?storycode=4125611

is the article simon refers to.