Ats Levels And Failure Reporting Times

[james.wilson]

Just for discussion really

So anything lower than ATS5 (or the proposed ATS 4+) is a bit poor

[jimcarter]

I think that's a fair comment James, and surprised you have not had any more comments on this.

[james.wilson]

i must admit i'd hoped i was reading it wrong

[alterEGO]

when all said and done its about what the insurer say yes to.

We can risk asses G4 comms, but if insurer says happy with G2 what can you do? If you don't do it the next firm will.

I would use G3 upwards every time if it was upto me.

[james.wilson]

i think the issue aaron is lack of understanding

ie dualpath must be better than single path? well in some cases yes but i wasnt fully aware of the facts and was led by the marketing sheets.

Ill be dooing some testing on units but im currently of the opinion that we (ie me) should be using G4 comms mainly, then when the risk is quite low, G3 but hardly ever use G2.

Currently we fit mainly G3 comms but we have been forced down this road recently by local cheap competition, but usually when you explain it to the client the want G4. If they dont care then they are usually quite happy with a digi.

Had a few people try and takeover some of our jobs latly and have tried to do it on price, ie rip out out red gsm and fir G2 dual path. When we explain to the client what that means they usually stick with red gsm.

And looking at the above

is an AT4 device doesnt have to report a PRIMARY path failure for 300mins. Assuming the backup path is still available??

that concerns me it really does

[alterEGO]

i agree, but if you have your G4 RA signed then what more can you do if they want G2? I would/will fit the G2, i can't see another option?

[james.wilson]

aaron i dont disagree, im sure you are fully aware how weak g2 is. I think the issue is many are not.

Ive always been anti very anti ip comms, but redcare gsm wont do extended formats, so im thinking i need to look at IP. Ideally what id want is a unit/service that can do IP/GPRS @ g4, but with a PSTN backup as well ie 3 paths. All sending SIA 3 allowing UDL over it, and with some sort of reporting system so i can see signal issues etc pro activly rather than reactivly.

[hpotter]

and with some sort of reporting system so i can see signal issues etc pro activly rather than reactivly.

that reads like another desk job for someone. wonder how long before we can log in and issue our own crime numbers?

[james.wilson]

im thinking of it being part of the automatic remotem servicing.

[hpotter]

I can see it as "remote assistance", maybe good for those with own arc?