arfur mo Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 James my original service provider was ****, Im with Virgin now but at home I have virgin and over the years I have had loads of problems I will admit that it has improved Jeff its not that I wont embrace change I do I love technology but I also look at what may happen if it goes wrong. Another thing to consider with ip signaling is ups, if the router isnt working the primary path cant signal, so down power the building then cut the phone line leaves you with a keyholder getting called to a potential hazardous situation. Its not that I think there is anything wrong with the idea, but I do think there is as much to go wrong and more, dont forget service providers are providing bb not security and much as they will try to provide a service you cant hold them responsible if things go wrong as much as those that are supposed to be providing security and only security Totally agree with the above, tbh phone lines were not ever designed for security, then the 999 gets invented and it's been a running compromise ever since. Privat circuit offered very high security n but at an equally prohibitive price for any distance. Unless the infrastructure suppliers will one day offer a mechanically secure, I ask will ip eve offer more than red care as the primary alarm signal carrier tech? To offer true multi path signalling and so the security it offers, then systems need several signal routes to and from the protected building, not via one manhole or overhead cable. Fine for high profile/risk but average house or sweat shop not usually viable om cost. Perhaps time is Comming where signalling is shared paths between multiple premmusses, each monortiring other systems and signalling a comms fault when detected via a wirking system. This may not happen for isnaller ndependents but initial, ADT Have client base and thereby horse power to offer it. Arfur If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jb-eye Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 This what you're hinting at Jef? Not really although it is true of many. Im just frustrated with an industry thats held back because of short sighted people.The writing is on the wall and people cant see it. I started using confirmed alarms back in 1995 after listening to a presentation made by ACPO at IFSEC he spoke, made sense, and i listened. Ive moved my hobby through various changes over the years and TBH I cant think of many failures. Ive been employed on various product/ideas, those ive found failing coincidently never came to fruition. Those I have embraced seem to do very well. I know I carry a respect in at least some areas. My disappointment is always with the installer. The majority have a wait and see attitude never taking the lead. There are not enough innovators. Had I been born in a different time and had the fire in my belly I would have raised hell in our industry as it is im playing with it just marking time standing on the side lines. Customers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted January 2, 2011 Author Share Posted January 2, 2011 Has anything been 'designed' for security? ie any link normally has a more mainstream use that security has modified for its own use apart from maybe redcare? securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 My disappointment is always with the installer. The majority have a wait and see attitude never taking the lead. I assume as most have been (or seen others) burnt by embracing the "next big thing" most wait Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubit Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 I reckon you could say phone line where telegraph lines 1st, which carried data of a security value ? This was covered earlier, but strangely disappeared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 This was covered earlier, but strangely disappeared. aye, trying to keep somewhere nr the topic.... Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfur mo Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 Closest I can think of is MW transmition, kit specifically designed to transmit video. But for general access needs none I can think of, nut is that not natural progression? Man invented the wheel, he had no intention of building a car at that time . Arfur If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 Closest I can think of is MW transmition, kit specifically designed to transmit video. I assume 1st used in telephones ? Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Oxo Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 Why else was a wheel invented? Natural progression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jb-eye Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 I assume as most have been (or seen others) burnt by embracing the "next big thing" most wait What Next big thing can you think of where you got your finger burnt. Wireless? Dualcom? Sequad? Smoke? Smartwater? CCTV? There is no such thing as the next BIG thing Of course we have band wagons. Steel wast invented for security bars as copper wasnt mined for alarm cable. We have a problem, we use our EXISTING knoledge base to resolve and we call that product. Customers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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