MrHappy Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 What Next big thing can you think of where you got your finger burnt. not very recent:- c&k digi's pyronix veritec jsb bi wire scantronic 9452/3 scantronic 1060-1080 redcare home springs to mind as us trying something new to the market & finding it not to be a good an idea as we 1st thought Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt-B Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 IP signalling offers large financial benefits for multi sited customers over traditional Redcare / dualcom etc.. signalling especially when looking at G4. Although for an installer it is not as simple as the usual redcare or dualcom signalling where we are responsible in control and arrange all. Key issue with IP is to ensure router / network are UPS protected and get support from the IT department for their firewall changes. I have never installed IP signalling on simple BT home hub type installations but from what I am told these would be very simple - just a matter of plugging in the unit. But these would of course be the sites most likely to have a fault caused by someone un plugging the alarm and plugging in their play station and causing pathway failure and call outs! I have used Chiron and Webway and have to say in my opinion the Webway product is easier and is a more supported solution by Webway. Network point and firewall changes always done by customer.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reidy Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 IP signalling offers large financial benefits for multi sited customers over traditional Redcare / dualcom etc.. signalling especially when looking at G4. Although for an installer it is not as simple as the usual redcare or dualcom signalling where we are responsible in control and arrange all. Key issue with IP is to ensure router / network are UPS protected and get support from the IT department for their firewall changes. I have never installed IP signalling on simple BT home hub type installations but from what I am told these would be very simple - just a matter of plugging in the unit. But these would of course be the sites most likely to have a fault caused by someone un plugging the alarm and plugging in their play station and causing pathway failure and call outs! I have used Chiron and Webway and have to say in my opinion the Webway product is easier and is a more supported solution by Webway. Network point and firewall changes always done by customer.. QFA Hey Ho, Lets Go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted January 3, 2011 Author Share Posted January 3, 2011 What firewall chnages are required? i thought it didnt need any as long as it can get out onto the web? securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jb-eye Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 not very recent:- c&k digi's pyronix veritec jsb bi wire scantronic 9452/3 scantronic 1060-1080 redcare home springs to mind as us trying something new to the market & finding it not to be a good an idea as we 1st thought Of the above i only used the veritech. Did i get burnt? No! It has a limited use. Not exactly the "next big thing though" i did embrace Rafiki at day one though so i guess i had a finacial benifit for many years over the herd, Customers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reidy Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 What firewall chnages are required? i thought it didnt need any as long as it can get out onto the web? id assume to take advantage of any UDL features it has Hey Ho, Lets Go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted January 3, 2011 Author Share Posted January 3, 2011 not on the units i have tested. If it needs that id be very concerned. securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfur mo Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 Good point about routers, I have had to go back to several sites where BT told the client ti press the RESET button on the back pf the business hub = goodbye to all the settings made to port forwarding. That stop's their remote access to the CCTV and on some sites their till system. on a chain of bakeries they have no dedicated staff who look after IT or know how to configure routers. Extrapolate that to alarm monitoring - whoops! Arfur If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted January 3, 2011 Author Share Posted January 3, 2011 Good point about routers, I have had to go back to several sites where BT told the client ti press the RESET button on the back pf the business hub = goodbye to all the settings made to port forwarding. That stop's their remote access to the CCTV and on some sites their till system. on a chain of bakeries they have no dedicated staff who look after IT or know how to configure routers. Extrapolate that to alarm monitoring - whoops! Arfur i dont agree arf. If their bb is down then its like their tel line being down. A problem for the service provider not us. I see your point on port forwarding and yes if port forwarding was required i wouldnt even be interested in IP signalling. But it doesnt. I wouldnt want to mess with port forwarding for the reasons listed but also cos it would mean messing with peoples routers. Bad idea IMHO. When you order the ip unit, if you want it ready programmed you need to order a static ip or dynamic ip. This is on the internal network obviously an external static ip is not req. afaik when using udl etc you go thorough an encrytped link via the arc or comms provider (say webway) and on the unit next poll (which is within seconds) it will be informed it has to make a link available etc. This is then used for udl. My point of having the option of a 3 path comm is that this may be over one of the wirelines or the radioline. securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 i did embrace Rafiki at day one though so i guess i had a finacial benifit for many years over the herd, jsb was 1st out & used rafiki heads, Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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