zurrieq Posted January 23, 2011 Author Posted January 23, 2011 I would like to thank everyone for the valuable feedback and long answers. I decided to map each PIR with a zone as suggested. That makes it easier for me as I had pre-wired all PIR locations directly to the Control Panel location. No linking between them is necessary. I have made another attempt to wire the PIR with the panel: This time I removed the second PIR and wired the + & - between PIR & panel (that's the easy part). Now I need to connect the Alarm and the Tamper between the panel and the PIR. I have also included an extract from the PIR manual to help you guys understand the system. Is the wiring correct for an EOL installation? I am assuming that the PIR has the necessary in-built resistors so I do not need to attach any other resistor with this installation. Why does the panel provide 2 slots for Alarm and 2 locations for Tamper. Are these the same and either will do?
zurrieq Posted January 23, 2011 Author Posted January 23, 2011 In the panel there should only be one pair (2 cores) in each zone terminal. The left most of each zone (block of 4 terminals) and the right most, the centre two terminals of each zone are for a different type of wiring called double pole. I did not fully understand this. Are you referring to the area marked in red in the attached image? So I cannot use all available slots?
sixwheeledbeast Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 I did not fully understand this. Are you referring to the area marked in red in the attached image? So I cannot use all available slots? The red area is a block of 8 terminals (two zones worth) the area marked "Zone X" is one zone/one device. One Zone (four terminals) has many types of wiring configuration this is why four terminals are provided. For your sensors it will be easier to wire end of line (EOL) i.e. resistor jumpers. To wire EOL on this panel the outer two terminals of the block of four are used for each of the 8 zones on the panel. Your diagram looks correct if wiring without the Fault/Masking part of the sensor. The diagram that comes with the sensor is correct for wiring with the Fault/Masking enabled. If using the fault/mask the mask jumper must be set to 2k2 and the zone programmed as Triple EOL. If not the default Double Pole/EOL setting for each zone is correct.
arfur mo Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 Fault does more than anti mask arf. How long should I make my posts ? . Arfur If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!!
zurrieq Posted January 23, 2011 Author Posted January 23, 2011 The red area is a block of 8 terminals (two zones worth) the area marked "Zone X" is one zone/one device. One Zone (four terminals) has many types of wiring configuration this is why four terminals are provided. For your sensors it will be easier to wire end of line (EOL) i.e. resistor jumpers. To wire EOL on this panel the outer two terminals of the block of four are used for each of the 8 zones on the panel. Understood. Thanks Your diagram looks correct if wiring without the Fault/Masking part of the sensor. Perfect. Some good news. The diagram that comes with the sensor is correct for wiring with the Fault/Masking enabled. If using the fault/mask the mask jumper must be set to 2k2 and the zone programmed as Triple EOL. If not the default Double Pole/EOL setting for each zone is correct. I am interested in wiring the Fault part and enable that functionality if the Premier panel can support it. How would I need to change the wires then to cater for this? I search on the manual and did not find anything similar to Triple EOL.
arfur mo Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 I suggest respectfully, get it going on the basic configuration 1st. Once happy all is well then move to the more complex wiring needed for 'fault' monitoring. Arfur If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!!
sixwheeledbeast Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 I am interested in wiring the Fault part and enable that functionality if the Premier panel can support it. How would I need to change the wires then to cater for this? I search on the manual and did not find anything similar to Triple EOL. Triple EOL is a wiring configuration, but also requires programming changes. All EOL wiring is the same at the panel end. At the detector end however, wiring as I stated above in post 13 second to last paragraph. Programming is in Zone Setup > Wiring Configuration. Fault and Mask is enabled together this maybe a problem. A good read of the beginning pages of the Premier Manual would be a start. I would definately recommend not going down the mask/fault route yet. It is a very advanced feature normally only required for commerical applications. There will more than likely be teething problems for anyone not in the industry. Get the basic stuff working first. Plus if you want to try it at a later date it's a easy swap. You can guinea pig it on one sensor, knowing you can put it back working at the end of the day.
zurrieq Posted January 24, 2011 Author Posted January 24, 2011 Triple EOL is a wiring configuration, but also requires programming changes. All EOL wiring is the same at the panel end. At the detector end however, wiring as I stated above in post 13 second to last paragraph. Programming is in Zone Setup > Wiring Configuration. Fault and Mask is enabled together this maybe a problem. A good read of the beginning pages of the Premier Manual would be a start. I would definately recommend not going down the mask/fault route yet. It is a very advanced feature normally only required for commerical applications. There will more than likely be teething problems for anyone not in the industry. Get the basic stuff working first. Plus if you want to try it at a later date it's a easy swap. You can guinea pig it on one sensor, knowing you can put it back working at the end of the day. Agreed. Thank you once again for your long and helpful answers. So far I have not started the installation and all the items are still nicely packaed in the boxes. Before I start, I want to make sure that all wiring is in place correctly and I have the knowledge to install it properly. So far I am happy with the keypads and the PIR installation. Next on the list are the smoke detectors. 2 quick questions: - Do I need to connect the smoke detectors as EOL as well? - I have a total of 8 zones and have 6 PIRs, 1 door contact and 2 smoke detectors making a total of 9. That means that possibly I can solve the problem if I put the smoke detectors in series and attach to 1 zone only. Is this doable and does it make sense? I will start thinking about the wiring depending on your answers. Thanks a million
Rulland Posted January 24, 2011 Posted January 24, 2011 Yes the smokes will have to be wired eol as well, don't forget you have two zones available from the keypad-giving you ten in total without using an expander.
zurrieq Posted January 24, 2011 Author Posted January 24, 2011 Yes the smokes will have to be wired eol as well, don't forget you have two zones available from the keypad-giving you ten in total without using an expander. ok... that helps... I have 3 keypads. So I can connect anything to the keypad?
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